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1 posted on 12/11/2007 7:36:24 AM PST by bs9021
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2 posted on 12/11/2007 7:37:14 AM PST by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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To: bs9021
Someone once stated, "A civilization who burns it's food supply cannot long survive." ... or something to that effect ...
3 posted on 12/11/2007 7:38:38 AM PST by TexGuy
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Message to OPEC, screw us on oil prices and we’ll burn your food!


4 posted on 12/11/2007 7:38:50 AM PST by dblshot
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...“since September 2006, the market price of corn and soybeans has climbed significantly,...

That's OK since auto fuel prices have dropped significantly...Wait! Fuel prices are still going up. What are they doing with all of the corn and soybeans? Someone must be getting fat on tortillas and tofu.

5 posted on 12/11/2007 7:41:05 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: bs9021

Since nobody studies science any more, especially the MSM and the politicians, some basic concepts escape people in this debate.

The bottom line is this:
Until you develop a substance or fuel that will take up as little space as a suitcase, will propel 3000 pounds of metal and people 300 miles at 65 MPH, can be stored safely for a very long time, and can be replenished in several minutes at facilities all over the world, even the remotest corners, nothing will displace the gasoline engine-driven car.

You can dream all you want about your battery cars and fuel cells, but the old-fashioned gasoline powered car will be around a long, long time.


6 posted on 12/11/2007 7:46:51 AM PST by oldbill
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1 energy unit of fossil fuel is consumed in producing 1.35 energy units of corn-ethanol.


7 posted on 12/11/2007 7:47:10 AM PST by polymuser (In the twinkling of an eye...)
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To: bs9021

As I point out on as many of these threads as possible: the price of food is going up because the price of diesel fuel is going up.

The ethanol market for corn is a side-issue, and has little carry-through into other markets aside from possibly eggs.

The diesel fuel issue, however, cannot be underestimated, but it is consistently ignored by these “analysts” that figure they know something about the ag sector. Since 2001, the price of off-road diesel has more than tripled. The US Farmer uses about 8% of all diesel fuel in the US consumption. Then there’s trucking costs that get added onto the farm inputs (fertilizer, seed, equipment shipping, etc) and onto shipping harvested crops. Wha-la: food inflation.

When you went to grandma’s house for Thanksgiving dinner, you probably got there by the grace of gasoline.

The turkey got there by the grace of diesel fuel.


8 posted on 12/11/2007 7:50:59 AM PST by NVDave
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Experts are warning that mandating use of bio-fuel energy (such as ethanol) by companies is increasing inflation.

This is its intent. Raise the price of everything via higher gasoline costs, also raise the cost of food and fuel, then invoke the anti-inflation god via the familiar "excluding volatile food and energy prices" chant, and abra cadabra!: a higher proportion of actual inflation is waved away than would have been.

11 posted on 12/11/2007 7:59:22 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: bs9021

Corn is no longer seriously considered as a source to make ethanol for fuel. They are considering waste biomass and grasses, however my analysis was that this is not practical at the scale needed and will not be competitive with the use of oil sands or shale. Initially I was the minor opinion, but in the past year the majority of decision makers where I work have adopted my view.


14 posted on 12/11/2007 8:01:32 AM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: bs9021

A little side note on this subject. When considering the prices of your food......The price of the beef and other meats will rise dramatically. Hay to feed these animals is going out of site. The result is higher prices for the meat. Hay farmers are planting corn instead of hay. The price of hay in many areas has doubled. In some instances, $20.00 a bale. A horse eats 1 bale a week.


22 posted on 12/11/2007 8:16:46 AM PST by RC2
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To: bs9021

No.


36 posted on 12/11/2007 8:44:04 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: bs9021

No. Next topic.


55 posted on 12/11/2007 9:04:27 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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One thing that I know for sure:
Anyone that runs "bio-diesel" in their engine will be paying the price of a new engine about 300,000 miles sooner than those that burn real diesel. The advantage of a diesel engine is in large part the longevity that comes from burning a high quality lubricant for a fuel, and the destruction that results from burning high varnish vegetable oils like soy and canola is very expensive to repair.
85 posted on 12/11/2007 1:40:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: bs9021

No, it won’t catch up with the hype. It didn’t in the 70’s either when we thought corn-based ethanol was a good idea.

Now, you just pay double for a box of corn flakes, and double again for gas.

But, there is absolutely NO inflation to speak of. Trust me on that.


87 posted on 12/11/2007 1:56:57 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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