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To: MrB
the left despises the idea of making judgements

I disagree. You are, no doubt, correct in theory. In practice the Left is highly judgmental.

It's just that their judgment somehow invariably winds up finding that their own society is the fount of all evil in the world. The neat thing, for them, is that the very act of denunciation of their own society sets them apart from that society and so therefore they are not included in the denunciation.

True Leftists aren't really much interested in any of the "causes" they champion: women, workers, the environment, indigenous peoples, endangered species, people of color, etc.. Except to the extent these causes function as a convenient club for attacking western society.

For instance, African-American studies (or African history, for that matter) is actually no such thing. It is the study of the oppression of Africans and African-Americans by whitey. They have very little interest in any other aspects of the history of these peoples.

IMHO, you will never understand Leftism until you fully comprehend that feminism, multi-culturalism, Marxism, environmentalism, and all the other multifarious fellow traveling causes have very little to do with creating their antagonism towards our society. The antagonism came first and is central. The cause to which the antagonism is attached is primarily a rationalization for the antagonism, and is thus easily dropped for another rationalization without breaking stride whenever that is convenient.

23 posted on 12/11/2007 8:15:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

When you have time, read the links, listen to the heritage foundation speech and get back to me.

IMO, Sayet is right on the money.

What you’re seeing as “judgement” of our society stems from their refusal to judge other cultures as inferior.

I say this because of another facet of liberalism - the rejection of an objective truth (from the Creator), which stems from the same desire to have no objective judgements on their choices or behaviors.


26 posted on 12/11/2007 8:20:10 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Sherman Logan

I re-read your last paragraph. You assert that their hatred of our society and culture is the cause, and I’m asserting that it is the result.

I can see where you’re coming from, check out the Sayet stuff to see where I’m coming from.

Maybe Sayet (and I) are attributing too much rationality to the Left, assuming that there must be some “rational” underpinning to their f’d up mindset.


27 posted on 12/11/2007 8:22:54 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Sherman Logan
In practice the Left is highly judgmental.

Agree. I've worked with liberals most of my life and have consistently observed their propensity for being judgmental. My theory is that this behavior serves to reinforce their elitist belief that they are intellectually and morally superior. Aren't liberals always trying to tell everyone else how to live? A second observation is that liberals resent "ordinary people" in society who have achieved more than they have, especially in a material sense. They are condescending and derisive toward those who prosper under our economic system. Most of the liberals I know secretly obsesse over money and possessions. Of course, the country that allows "common folk" to live better than liberal elitists is hated.

You are also correct that liberals don't really give a rats behind about most social social causes. They just want to espouse their pious opinions to bolster their own distorted sense of superiority.

52 posted on 12/24/2007 12:35:03 PM PST by Starboard
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