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To: woollyone

The verse I referred to defines God’s house. It isn’t a discipline or a security issue. It defines one’s communion with God wherever he may be; at church, home, wherever.

At church, one should not feel the need for security.


99 posted on 12/11/2007 6:52:06 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: bcsco
bcsco wrote: At church, one should not feel the need for security.

Maybe if their had been Church Security back in the olden days, the Christians would not of been fed to the lions. One should not feel the need for security at a school, a mall, on the street, in your home, or in a church..but the reality of it is we do need security. Most homes today come with security systems, but you always need a back up plan.

106 posted on 12/11/2007 6:56:42 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: bcsco
We live in a fallen world. We're visited with violence constantly, and it is up to us, each, to defend against it. Failure to do so, I recon, makes us complicit with those who act to bring harm. I take it as a sin to not prepare oneself for such an event and see it as a scoff towards the gift of life God's granted.

I suppose you fail to see that such preventative measures were necessary on Sunday?

119 posted on 12/11/2007 7:06:18 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: bcsco
Please read that Matthew 18:15-20 passage again...it specifically is related to church discipline. Jesus was specifically replying to the issue of when a brother sins against you, and how a believer is to respond and this was the third part of His reply to the disciples question; "Whos is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

This passage and the verse you quoted has nothing to do with "communion with God" and is probably one of the most mis-applied verses in the Bible. It is usually wrongly interpreted to mean; "Hey, there's two of us here now so Jesus is here now!"

A verse taken out of context is a pretext, so here is the passage in it's entire context...

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will bebound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

peace
no offense intended.

136 posted on 12/11/2007 7:23:34 AM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: bcsco

“At church, one should not feel the need for security.”

Tell that to all the little altar-boys.


143 posted on 12/11/2007 7:30:12 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (-Not Afraid of the truth, and the whole truth - Are you?)
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