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To: fallingwater
We're locked into the restoration and the experiences of Joseph Smith," said Elder M. Russell Ballard, a senior leader of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Bottom line: Look, if there was no 100% "apostasy" of the Christian faith & the Christian church (Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox) as claimed by Joseph Smith, then no "restoration" needed.

So the translation of this is "We're locked into accusing the Christians of being "apostates" (like the Muslims accusing the Christians of being "infidels").

A "restored Christianity" (what LDS call themselves) is only necessary if there was a 100% "failed Christianity."

2 posted on 12/09/2007 8:15:56 PM PST by Colofornian (Tell me why again people want to vote for someone whose next career stop is a god's throne?)
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To: Colofornian

Very good point - I fully agree!


3 posted on 12/09/2007 8:24:26 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Colofornian

I’m hoping you or someone else who seems to know a bit about the LDS church can answer my question, which is (in three parts):

Do Mormons consider Catholics Christians?

How about Protestants?

Can non-Mormons go to Heaven?

Thanks for any answers.


18 posted on 12/09/2007 10:09:48 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Colofornian

To reinforce what is being said by Christians on this thread. Here is what Peter prophesied about “restored Christianity” and other movements like them.

2 Peter 2

False Prophets and Their Punishment

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Even so, many will follow their licentious ways, and because of these teachers* the way of truth will be maligned. 3And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced against them long ago, has not been idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell* and committed them to chains* of deepest darkness to be kept until the judgement; 5and if he did not spare the ancient world, even though he saved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood on a world of the ungodly; 6and if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction* and made them an example of what is coming to the ungodly;* 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man greatly distressed by the licentiousness of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by their lawless deeds that he saw and heard), 9then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgement 10—especially those who indulge their flesh in depraved lust, and who despise authority.

Bold and wilful, they are not afraid to slander the glorious ones,* 11whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not bring against them a slanderous judgement from the Lord.* 12These people, however, are like irrational animals, mere creatures of instinct, born to be caught and killed. They slander what they do not understand, and when those creatures are destroyed,* they also will be destroyed, 13suffering* the penalty for doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, revelling in their dissipation* while they feast with you. 14They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15They have left the straight road and have gone astray, following the road of Balaam son of Bosor,* who loved the wages of doing wrong, 16but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm; for them the deepest darkness has been reserved. 18For they speak bombastic nonsense, and with licentious desires of the flesh they entice people who have just* escaped from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for people are slaves to whatever masters them. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment that was passed on to them. 22It has happened to them according to the true proverb,
‘The dog turns back to its own vomit’,
and,‘The sow is washed only to wallow in the mud.’


167 posted on 12/13/2007 5:45:12 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: Colofornian
A "restored Christianity" (what LDS call themselves) is only necessary if there was a 100% "failed Christianity."

Wrong. If a lightbulb goes out in your house, do you have to replace the wiring as well?

197 posted on 12/18/2007 11:46:55 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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