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Box Office: No Saturday Miracle Surge For The Golden Compass
/film.com ^ | Sunday, December 9th, 2007 at 3:00 am | Steve Mason

Posted on 12/09/2007 8:39:12 AM PST by keat

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To: GunRunner
Have you read the National Council of Bishops review? They said:

I don't need to, I read the first book and can see satanism when I see it! No thank you to teaching demon possession and following the beautiful angel that God kicked out of heaven because he was supposedly jealous of him. If these bishops do not understand what they are reading that is their problem. My guess is that they just saw the movie (which was pared down)not read the books, their stupid mistake for leaving there followers open to evil. Yours to if you do not take the time and effort to educate yourself.

Remaining stupid after being warned is your own option. Who cares at this point expose yourself and your children to as much evil as you want that is your call. You now at least know what you are exposing children to if ever you let them read the books. I just would never want that responsibility on my shoulders.

161 posted on 12/10/2007 6:05:58 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Petronski
...not to mention the fact that lobbying people to avoid a movie you haven't seen yourself can be perceived as tactless and arrogant.

Again, if the label from the bottle under the sink has a skull and crossbones on it and is labeled "Poison", I don't need to drink it to assume it is bad for me. The word of mouth of the people who wrote the label I can assume to be accurate without first-hand experience.

162 posted on 12/10/2007 6:18:00 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Cheburashka

The Internet, God Bless it, is both the source of great evil and the source of great good, like any tool man invents. And forty years ago, in the era of the “Gatekeepers” when information flowed ONLY from the three big networks, you would have no idea that the author was an anti-theist, and would not know the facts of the movie BEFORE you bought a ticket. To me, as I have said, that information is equal to the Skull and Crossbone on a jar of rat poison. Thanks to FReepers and others, we now can label cr@p as cr@p before we buy it.


163 posted on 12/10/2007 6:23:21 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Grunthor
I was going to see that until I heard that in the movie each person has their own “animal demon.” Most anti-Christ films aren’t as open in their messages. This was an easy “avoid at all costs.”

1) A lady at work says that the official website has a section for kids where you can create your own "daemon" and name it. Anyone else's hackels go straight up on that?

2) In the book series, one of the motivations for the Evil Church Guys is allegedly performing a painful "operation" that strips the daemon away from the child, analagous to "the organized church" stealing away the Uberman nature of humans and "limiting" them into behaving; the author thinks that "religon" (Christianity and the Church) is a sham designed to cripple people from becoming exceptional. (Isn't that the arguement Satan made?)

3) Several news articles that have been posted state that the next two books in the series are much more sexual between two barely adolescent main characters. Imagine that, the athiest author thinks "free love" is superior to the moral restraints that have created Western culture and the climb to civilization!

164 posted on 12/10/2007 6:30:12 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: driftdiver
This movie is about killing God and the polar bears are only there to attract children and soften the message.

A magician is adept at slight of hand, and part of that is The Flourish with the left hand that distracts from The Business that the right hand has to accomplish.

I remember, during the depths of the Stained Dress Meltdown with Bubba, how suddenly the First Family got a new puppy, and the news crews were all over it. "Hey, sooner not later I'll tell y'all about Monica, but right now look at this cute puppy!"

Worked, too. The whole idea is to candy coat the intro book to the point the parents, with their radar disabled, go buy the trilogy for the kids for Christmas. Cancer is the PERFECT analogy for this thing...it is corruption that looks OK on the surface, and begins destroying once you let it in.

165 posted on 12/10/2007 6:40:22 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: GunRunner
You must have cleaned up on the debating team.

Straw man.

166 posted on 12/10/2007 6:42:51 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Lady Heron
Remaining stupid after being warned is your own option.

I read Medved's take on it, and he said that overall this movie is artistically well done, entertaining, and skillfully crafted. If you just care about being entertained and not the message, he recommends it.

He's a trusted conservative who has subbed for Rush in the past, and his take on it is far less vindictive.

Once again, I know this may be hard for you to believe, but there are other good people out there whose opinion on the subject is different from yours.

167 posted on 12/10/2007 6:44:06 AM PST by GunRunner (Thompson 2008 - Security, Unity, Prosperity)
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To: GunRunner
"Despite the professed atheism of its author, and the more overt church connotation of this Magisterium in the novels, director Chris Weitz's film, taken purely on its own cinematic terms, can be viewed as an exciting adventure story with a traditional struggle between good and evil, and a generalized rejection of authoritarianism."

This is like saying, "The birthday cake served at the children's' party turned out to be only 6% rat poison, not the 100% it could have been, and actually the rich chocolate icing made it taste appetizing and delicious."

The problem is, from a Christian point of view, we are not talking about one movie, however watered down it may be. (And saying that, the other half of the argument is acknowledging that the original book was worse with respect to how it treats Christianity, and that it is written by a man who's self-admitted goal is the destruction of Christianity.) The real problem is that the cotton-candy coating of this film is likely to lure children and their uniformed parents into reading books that demonstrably feature a frail faux God who can be killed by a breeze, an evil Church who want to strip away your soul, and under age kids having sex with the approval of the "good guys", including their parents.

Nobody here can make your choice as to weather YOU want to see this abomination. That's your choice. Our goal is making the above facts available to a sheepish population that WANTS this kind of information so THEY can make the same choice. If someone put glass shards in my hamburger because they thought it good for me but neglected to tell me, I'd want to know.

168 posted on 12/10/2007 7:00:33 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Lady Heron
Remaining stupid after being warned is your own option.

"Let's not be mean. We don't have to be mean." Bucaroo Banzai

More correct and more Christlike would be to say "Remaining foolish is your own option." Christ never downcast humans for being human, but always called out their actions.

Aside from how you expressed it, I agree with what you have to say. The Bible records that if anyone tempts God's children to sin, it would be better for them to be cast into the sea with a millstone around their necks than to endure what awaits them. My daughters know just enough about the books and movie to know why it is against what we believe. I'd sooner give them chocolate coated cyanide than let them handle something this evil without a good disclaimer.

169 posted on 12/10/2007 7:06:57 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: GunRunner
If you just care about being entertained and not the message, he recommends it.

Again, if you care just about the taste, I recommend a rat-poison cake with really rich chocolate icing. If you want to cut a slice because the full-color picture on the glossy menu looks appitizing, more power to you. I'd rather read the ingrediants in the hidden fine print and know what I'm taking into myself, and moreso, what I am feeding to my children.

170 posted on 12/10/2007 7:10:20 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: 50sDad
Okay, I get it. You think Golden Compass=Rat Poison. Thanks for your point of view.

If you want to keep taking Medved to task, there are two whole other threads devoted to his review. There's even a few Freepers who've (gasp) seen the movie and enjoyed it!.

You should go over there and warn them of their impending rat-poison induced illness.

171 posted on 12/10/2007 7:22:52 AM PST by GunRunner (Thompson 2008 - Security, Unity, Prosperity)
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To: GunRunner
You should go over there and warn them of their impending rat-poison induced illness.

If they are on those threads, they've seen my opinion; that is all I ask, and that is why we have threads. Bon appatite!

172 posted on 12/10/2007 7:30:52 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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