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Atheists' sign sparks controversy ("Imagine No Religion" - Shows WTC)
WTNH.com ^ | December 8, 2007 | Carolee Salerno

Posted on 12/09/2007 5:35:32 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough

Vernon (WTNH) _ A sign posted by Atheists in the Rockville's Central Park has people talking, prompting calls to the town hall and the local clergy.

The Connecticut Valley Atheists posted the three-sided sign, which some call a billboard, and it was the only sign in the town center marking the Holiday season. Two sides of the display feature the Twin Towers, framed by the words "Imagine No Religion."

This Christmas, Martha Chennelle and Amy Houser say Vernon could use a few prayers, considering the sign standing in front of town hall.

"We believe that Christ is the reason for Christmas," said Chennelle.

"I feel like this is an attack on my beliefs as a religious person," said Houser.

The sign, put up by the Connecticut Valley Atheist Group, which was supposed to mark the winter solstice, but the "Imagine No Religion" part of it, taken from John Lennon's song, "Imagine," has a lot of people upset.

Houser says the sign mocks her religion during a holy time of the year. "Imagine no religion is an attack against me, as any person of faith should take it as an attack against them," Houser said.

The town issued permits to the Atheist group to put the sign in the park. They also issued permits to a group of churches that plans to put a nativity scene and to a local synagogue to put up a menorah.

Dennis Himes, a Vernon resident, and member of CT Valley Atheists, says he was tired of seeing Christian displays.

"There are plenty of places to put up nativity scenes in Vernon. The original question that started this controversy was not whether a nativity scene would be put up in Vernon," said Dennis Himes of Vernon. "The question was whether the nativity scene would be put in front of a church or in front of town hall, on government property.

Himes also says that the picture of the Twin Towers is meant to show that without religion, 9-11 wouldn't have happened. A suggestion that has upset Muslims, as well.

"This is an attack," said Houser.

Chennelle and Houser have been fighting back with prayer.

"We ultimately believe that Christians have been persecuted throughout history," said Houser, "so this is nothing new."

According to the Hartford Courant town officials issued the Atheists a permit to put up the sign to commemorate the Winter Solstice. Permits were also issued to local churches and a synagogue to put up their own displays.

Yesterday the town of Rockville put up a large Christmas Tree, just 10 feet from the display.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atheists; christianity; cranksveto; enjoythevoid; evangelicalatheists; islam
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1 posted on 12/09/2007 5:35:35 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough

>>”Imagine no religion is an attack against me, as any person of faith should take it as an attack against them,” Houser said.

We live in a country where people have the freedom to
worship as they choose, or to not worship. This means also
that people who don’t believe in God should _tolerate_
those who do. The ones who preach about tolerance and
understanding are the least likely to practice it.


2 posted on 12/09/2007 5:40:50 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: LurkedLongEnough
An article yesterday in The Hartford Courant also discussed this issue. Atheists' Sign Spurs Talk, Thought
3 posted on 12/09/2007 5:46:22 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
If Christian believers actively worked to exclude secular humanists from the public square (literally or figuratively), there would be an outcry.

But militant atheists always works to exclude believers from the public square. Why the double standard? If one looks at the First Amendment, it is clear that the atheists are in violation, as they work against free expression of faith. Repression of religion should be a serious legal matter. But often it is our lawmakers who facilitate the repression. Sigh.

4 posted on 12/09/2007 5:47:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"We ultimately believe that Christians have been persecuted throughout history," said Houser, "so this is nothing new."

Bad taste, yes. But this is not persecution.

Unless "persecution" means anything that makes someone feel uncomfortable.

The sign does not even single out Christianity, and it's not as if atheism is a popular cause.

Does self-important vicitmological whining really advance Christianity? At least no death threats, like you-know-who.

5 posted on 12/09/2007 5:54:17 AM PST by Salman
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"We ultimately believe that Christians have been persecuted throughout history," said Houser, "so this is nothing new."

Oh, please.

Nothing in the sign picks on Christians.

There's enough real persecution without making stuff up.

6 posted on 12/09/2007 5:57:30 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Imagine No Criminals


7 posted on 12/09/2007 5:59:56 AM PST by PGalt
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To: raccoonradio

Atheists have been trying, and often succeeding, to subvert the Constitution and install Atheism as the official state religion of the US of A.


8 posted on 12/09/2007 6:00:56 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Observing the Winter Solstice was a religious event for humanity long before Christianity. And at one level it is amusing to see Atheists engaging in such a religious act.

But honestly ... Atheists putting up a sign that has the Sun making the image of a Cross of Light between the Twin Towers with the caption Imagine No Religion is clearly anti-Christian in every possible way.


10 posted on 12/09/2007 6:07:27 AM PST by Siobhan (God bless us one and all.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Why would the atheists put up anything around the time of Christmas?

Wouldn’t it make more sense for them to put up some kind of sign during a non-holiday time of the year?


11 posted on 12/09/2007 6:16:11 AM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: PGalt

Heck, Imagine no atheists - one day it will come true and the rest of us will be too filled with joy to bother with a last laugh.


12 posted on 12/09/2007 6:22:36 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: LurkedLongEnough

The solstice is still a few weeks away. Why so early for their message?


13 posted on 12/09/2007 6:25:15 AM PST by doodad
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Teach the city the rest of the story. Man that sign day and night with “This is Christmas” Use it as an opportunity to teach everyone the true meaning of Christmas and how a Savior was born to die for their sins so that they can have eternal life.


14 posted on 12/09/2007 6:27:08 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I somehow think there is a South Park moment in all of this. In fact, I think that might be the perfect remedy to such a sign.

I’ve never understood why so many people seem to like that John Lennon sign, either. It nauseates me to hear the thing like just about no other song I can think of. Just a completely silly, trite thump on the guitar.


15 posted on 12/09/2007 6:30:16 AM PST by Y Ceratotherium
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Actually, we've already imagined no religion.



16 posted on 12/09/2007 6:41:05 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: raccoonradio
Religion with out freedom is radical Islamic madness Freedom with out Religion is Anarchy, Hedonism, Liberalism.
17 posted on 12/09/2007 6:54:07 AM PST by reefdiver (The sheriff of Nottingham collected taxes on behalf of the common good)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
You answer stupid speech with smart speech.

Here's an image that could be photoshopped into 'a world without religion' or 'without the truth, the people perish.

This is a map of Cambodia made up of skulls of people the commies murdered. Cambodia abolished religion. Imagine a world without religion, okay.

18 posted on 12/09/2007 6:56:21 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: William Terrell

Was it Chesterton or Lewis who said, “If it weren’t for God, there would be no atheists.”


19 posted on 12/09/2007 6:58:08 AM PST by jackofhearts
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To: LurkedLongEnough

“Imagine no religion”: a tyrant’s dream.


20 posted on 12/09/2007 7:01:57 AM PST by windsorknot
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