Attack of white woman by 9 black kids a possible hate crime [Baltimore}

Examiner ^ | 12/7/07 | AP

[ReignOfError]

They realize they have reached critical mass, and they can prey upon The Man without fear of reprisal - all they have to do is play the race card and they walk.

That's simply not true. These punks are looking at aggravated assault, possibly attempted murder, with or without a hate crimes charge. If the state proves its case, they will not walk in the free sunshine again for decades, if ever.

It's amazing to me how on one side, folks are screaming because minorities get away with murder every day and twice on Sunday. In the other ear, I hear people shouting because minorities are disproportionately convicted of murder. Everyone is put upon. Everyone is a victim.

Pre-emptively, I'll say forget OJ. He had unlimited funds to hire experts to muddy the waters. His is not a typical case. There's an old adage among lawyers: "interesting cases make bad law."

Minorities who commit crimes against whites are more often convicted, and serve more time, than whites who commit crimes against minorities. I'm not going to get into the endless tangle over whether minorities commit more crime, which they certainly do, or whether they're more distrusted by juries, which they certainly are. But the notion that the "race card" is a free pass is absurd, and is based on a few high-profile cases lie OJ and Michael Jackson. 99% of the time, it goes the other way.

[Pearls Before Swine]

And as far as I can tell, if a city is majority black population, its elected officials should reflect that population. This “critical mass” talk seems fearful and backward. The presumption that majority black means no justice for white people ever is silly and sort of primitive.

O.J. Simpson agrees with you.

[panthermom]

Most parents, black or white, would take their child’s side of any serious conflict, even when the child is clearly in the wrong.

You should have a chat with my kids. Ask them who's side my husband and I would be on if they were in the wrong. They know and that is why they don't steal, harass and display direspectful behavior to anyone. I know they are kids and do stupid kid things but there is a line that they know NEVER to cross.

[Pietro]

This is the type of nonsense that reminds me why I moved out of the city.

[LearnsFromMistakes]

not the first time vicious little thugs from this middle school have caused horrible damage to someone.

You don't think they were homeschoolers who had never learned social skills?

[puroresu]

I agree with you that there should be no such thing as a hate crime. Crime is crime.

The problem is, there are hate crime laws on the books. Since that is the case, what are we supposed to do? The authorities already have a tendency to charge any white who looks crossways at a minority with a "hate crime". Yet, when minorities brutally attack whites, there's a lot of liberal drivel from the authorities about how the incident didn't quite rise to the level of a "hate crime", or about how it was just "random violence" or was triggered by poverty or something else.

As long as these idiotic hate crime laws are on the books, it would be suicidal for us to not insist that they be enforced fairly. Otherwise, we'll end up like the parents of those white schoolgirls a couple of years ago. The girls were playing basketball at a public court. A group of black girls showed up and said the court was their turf. The white girls said they were almost finished with their practice and asked for a few more minutes. The black girls beat the living hell out of them, screaming racial slurs at them as they did it.

When the black girls came to trial, the white girls' parents actually asked for leniency and didn't seek hate crime prosecution. Instead, they repeated all the usual mantras about how the black girls must have come from a bad environment, etc.

Is it your contention that as long as hate crime laws are on the books, conservatives should refuse to demand that they be enforced when whites are attacked, out of "principle"? That sounds suicidal.

This is the mess liberals easily get us into with nonsense such as hate crime laws. When these idiotic laws were first proposed, a lot of "politically correct" conservatives jumped on the bandwagon. Gee, we can show minorities and gays that we aren't racists and homophobes if we support these laws, and then they'll vote Republican. Well, the results are in. The groups in question still vote Democrat. The laws in question are expanding beyond all reason into thoughtcrime territory. And our only option is to either try to have the laws enforced fairly (an uphill battle), or to let them only be enforced against us.

[JustaDumbBlonde]

"People, please! Have we all decided to play the liberal "hate crime" game? Do we want to make thought illegal? We should fight this notion of "HATE CRIME" with everything we have, or we as freedom loving people will surely come to regret ever embracing it. The perp's of this assault should be punished harshly for assault & battery, not for what they were thinking while pummeling the woman!"

I agree 100%. We should not prosecute folks for what they are thinking. Additionally, it is never justice when laws don't pertain to every citizen equally. Public outcry has caused officials to initiate an investigation to determine if this beating was a 'hate crime'. If the colors of those involved had been reversed, it would have been immediately assumed that it was a 'hate crime' and an investigation would have been necessary to prove otherwise.

[Verloona Ti]

When the black girls came to trial, the white girls' parents actually asked for leniency and didn't seek hate crime prosecution. Instead, they repeated all the usual mantras about how the black girls must have come from a bad environment, etc.

If I were one of those girls, I would NEVER forgive my parents for thinking my safety and quite possibly my very life less important than PC mantra BS. To sympathize with urban thugettes more than one's own offspring!?!??! VILE!!!!

[I'm ALL Right!]

It wasn’t what they were thinking, it was what motivated them. (The color of her skin.) They had no other reason to attack, according to the tape.

[Plains Drifter]

Bump

[Verloona Ti]

Check out Justice Overruled by Judge Burton Katz. He says that while the OJ verdict became famous, in fact it was already routine by 1995 for "urban" juries to let black thugs off the hook-particularly when they've victimized a nonblack. This does not disprove overall or nationally the higher conviction rates for blacks who victimize whites-but those who do in urban areas are more likely to walk than whites who attack other whites, etc. The section about stupid/bigoted juries is only one very small section of the book, which is pretty wide ranging in the issues it discusses.

[Plains Drifter]

Well said!!!!!!!!

[freespirited]

LISTEN TO ME....it’s not a HATE crime, it’s just a CRIME. If you keep this up, you Americans will end up like Canada, where people are being arrested up here for expressing an opinion.

Agree with ya, I hate (no pun intended) this concept of hate crimes. However, if the powers that be insist on making them when they can out of white on black crimes, they had better be prepared for outrage if they don't charge them on crimes like this.

[Plains Drifter]

Bump

[Bigg Red]

Mandatory exile/repatriation

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Not applicable to this case. I seriously doubt that any of these kids are the progeny of any recent immigrants. Their roots most likely go back more than 200 years.

[Bigg Red]

You don’t think they were homeschoolers who had never learned social skills?

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Any of the learning they recived at home was most likely in antisocial behavior.

[brytlea]

If you think about it, parents are really no longer raising their children. The most important people in a child’s life are now their same age peers. They learn how to interact socially thru their peers. Is it any wonder that many are little savages? Children are not innately kind, generous, etc. There is a reason that human children are nurtured within a family unit for many years, compared to many other animals. It takes alot to teach them how to behave in a complex society. We are leaving one of the most important jobs in civilization to those least capable of doing it. Children.

susie

[freekitty]

I know and it is sad.

[brytlea]

It’s worse than sad. :(

Susie

[nomorelurker]

Wow good point. It’s taken some many thousand years to get here and we go back to wolf pack lifestyle. By the way my dogs have better heath care than I do.