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To: Zakeet; hoppity
hoppity, Please be aware that anyone who quotes from the Tanners is quoting from someone who has sworn to destroy our church. Please pray about all you will be asked to read here, and follow the spirit.

I would also suggest you ask people to identify their position, Mormon or not Mormon, I am a Mormon.
114 posted on 12/09/2007 9:45:18 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; hoppity
I would also suggest you ask people to identify their position, Mormon or not Mormon, I am a Mormon.

DU, as you know I am former mormon...I DO think your suggestion is not really appropriate. Some people would consider it a breach of the anonymonity of this site. And hoppity might get some replies he/she may not like to that question.

I, personally, make it a point to not try and label the FReepers I debate with, even though most of the time I can tell if they are mormon.

As our mod friend keeps saying, "Don't make it personal."

117 posted on 12/09/2007 10:19:50 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney, fooled TWICE by a Columbian gardener...what kind of discernment for POTUS is this?)
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To: DelphiUser
You wrote: Please be aware that anyone who quotes from the Tanners is quoting from someone who has sworn to destroy our church.

I try to post only accurate information about your church. While it is true the Tanners are Christians (and ex-LDS), I have found everything I used from their website to be abundantly annotated with quotations from both Mormon Scripture and Mormon Prophets.

However, in the interest of fairness, I will be glad to retract any erroneous information I cited. Will you please tell me where my sources are mistaken so I might take the appropriate action?

You wrote: Please pray about all you will be asked to read here, and follow the spirit.

Personally, I don't think that is wise in light of the following:

Most cults (notably Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies, Christian Scientists and Hare Krishna's) tell followers and prospective adherents alike to ignore evidence, seek counsel regarding the truthfulness of their claims through prayer, and then rely on "feelings." Each cult has many sincere followers who testify that their belief is true because they prayed and felt it was right. I know you agree that each of these faiths is wrong … the inescapable conclusion is that their method does not work.

I think I know the reason. If I pray rather than seeking evidence, how can I be sure that it isn't the devil answering me? I remember reading somewhere that in Mormon temple ceremony, Adam prays to his heavenly father and three times he says, Oh God, hear the words of my mouth. It is also my understanding (and as a temple Mormon you can confirm this) that it is none other than Lucifer who answers his prayer. Doesn't your own temple ceremony make it clear the devil is capable of answering prayer?

I think this is why the Mormon Church invites prospective members such as myself to undertake a critical examination. Specifically:

In May of 1873, Brigham Young said, I say to the whole world, receive the truth, no matter who presents it to you. Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test … I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him … let every man and woman know themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates or not. This has been my exhortation continually. (From the Journal of Discourses, 16:46, as cited by Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1950, pp. 129-130).

President Hugh B. Brown, a member of the LDS First Presidency in recent years, told an audience at Brigham Young University, We are not so much concerned whether your thoughts are orthodox or heterodox as we are that you shall have thoughts … while all members should respect, support, and heed the teaching of the Authorities of the Church, no one should accept a statement and base his testimony upon it, no matter who makes it, until he has, under mature examination found it to be true and worthwhile; then his logical deductions may be confirmed by the spirit of revelation to his spirit because real conversion must come from within. (Dialogue, Summer 1984, p. 15).

I think the ability of Satan to answer prayer is one reason Christians are taught not to rely on prayer and feelings as a replacement for valid evidence. This is not to suggest that we should not be in prayer during a testing process. But prayer should not be the test. Instead, we are told to pray for guidance as to what to look for and where to look concerning what is being said.
133 posted on 12/09/2007 11:50:58 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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