How and Why Romney Bombed

TCS ^ | 12/7/6/7 | Lee Harris

[Elsie]

Discourses by Brigham Young don't define the faith....

Then has there been any of the later Living Prophets® who has gone on record and said what you've said: BY was WRONG in what he said?

[Elsie]

The truth is found in the Gospels and the Gospels are sufficiant for my understanding of God's nature and his role in my life...

If this is an accurate description of your belief, then WHY are you an LDS member?

[ansel12]

“Why can’t Christ visit both places? Who are you to tell him what he can and cannot do?”

HuH?

[Edward Watson]

I exclude them because the VAST MAJORITY of anti-Mormon bigots are found among the Evangelicals and Baptists. They seem utterly incapable of rational discourse and admitting they were lied to by propagandist anti-Mormon pastors and “experts.”

Lookit, I’m not new at anti-Mormonism - I’ve heard it all, repeatedly, ad nauseum, since my Baptist friends gave me Walter Martin’s Kingdom of the Cults soon after my baptism in the LDS Church in 1985.

I look with bemusement at the Evangelical conservatives in Iowa who would rather have Hilary as president by voting for Huckabee than getting past their bigotry against Mormons.

I’ve no doubt the majority of Americans will NEVER vote for a Southern Baptist PASTOR as president of the United States. Just how stupid are Evangelicals in Iowa anyways?

[Edward Watson]

??? Then do it again and refuse the passages I just cited that EXPLICITLY say Jesus Christ is the Creator.

All I see is ad hominem attacks.

[Elsie]

So, did I get from this reply that you think that baptizism is required to enter Heaven?

[rface]

then WHY are you an LDS member?

I never said I was...and I am not

[joesbucks]

I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.

Actually, that should trouble evangelicals more than it comforts them. It only comforts them because of his Mormon faith. His is essentially saying that whether a person of faith or not a person of faith, it shouldn't matter. That in it's self should trouble them, A person whose faith is no faith should also be not be disqualified by evangelicals?

[Edward Watson]

1. Like I said, find out why Eloheim is PLURAL (i.e., “Gods” not “God”) and find out the role of the “bene ha eloheim” (”sons of God”) during the creation. Hint: this henotheistic cosmology is found in the EARLIEST portions of the Bible before the Captivity - it’ll be wise to actually study up first.

2. Furthermore, you shouldn’t confuse the creation of the universe 15 or so billion of years ago with the creation of the earth 5 or so billion of years ago. They are two separate creations.

3. Also, try to find out who has the right to say they are the creator of something, say, a building. Is the architect the creator? What about the project manager? Is the project manager still the creator if he has staff that he directs in the construction?

Boy, you really seem to have a very shallow and poorly thought out view of reality.

[Elsie]

It is vastly more important to receive an answer from the Holy Ghost, instead of mere words from a book, since the Holy Ghost gives a firm conviction of the truth of the gospel

 

 

 

After reading this from your NON-MORMON WARNING - looked in my BIBLE.

 

 

It said, in Acts chapter 17 verse 11:

 

 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

 

 

The Bereans looked at MERE WORDS IN A BOOK; so, according to this, your statement is highly suspect.

 

 

[Elsie]

How many sins do you fail to realize you commit each day?
How successful are you at being 100% obedient?
Do fail even a little?
When do you imagine your spirit will be cleansed from unrighteousness?
Do you have to have Mormon authorized baptism to enter into God’s presence now or in some where/when?

Is this some kind of TEST!!??

--MormonDude(Ask ME!! I know!)

[ansel12]

“Why can’t Christ visit both places? Who are you to tell him what he can and cannot do?”

I don’t know, you are the Mormon scholar, I was hoping that you would tell me.

Edward Watson :
I’m tempted to just whack you but before I go through the trouble, why don’t you find out more about my competency concerning Mormon beliefs before attempting to enter into a debate with me? http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id20.htm

All of volume one is uploaded - just go to the TOC to see the relevant chapters (http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id24.htm ). Portions of volumes 2 and 3 are also available.

If, after examining these chapters, you still think I’m either lying or just ignorant about LDS doctrines, feel free to try me.

[Elsie]

"No evangelical has said, "Romney should not be permitted to run for the Presidency because he is a Mormon."

I guess that this writer has not been doing much lurking on Free Republic.

Dang!

I sure missed it!

Can you post a link??

[mo]

This is why Mitt is hosed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RVFFugaL7A

He’s slicker than dynamic duo from Arkansas..and unfortunately , while his appeal is more upscale than trailertrash...his facade has the same foundation.

[Edward Watson]

[Sigh] Please don’t interject if you don’t understand the history and development of the Traditional Trinity. Your attempt to “read into” the Scriptures of the vastly foreign Platonic and Neo-Platonic concepts of deity that was started by the Apologists and completed by the Three Cappadocians, Tertullian, Athanasius, Augustine, and lastly Aquinas is pathetic. Your NERVE to proclaim those who refuse to accept this conflation are not “Christian” is utterly unbiblical - if so, no one before the fourth century is then a Christian.

[Elsie]

 

I got curious about the New Jerusalem/ Missouri thing, and started asking about it on these threads, after about a month of having either no answers or misleading answers, I am still not certain if Christ is supposed to return to Missouri or the Middle East.

 

 

Here is a slight clue....

 

 

 

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

 

[Elsie]

By your lights you could not vote for someone who is not a member of your particular congregation because the other congregation with the same name as yours’ pastor has a slightly different emphasis.

Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!

[Edward Watson]

Ah Elsie, how nice to see you again. Still fighting against the True Church I see. Isn’t that special. Oh, and how nice to see you are STILL taking my words out of CONTEXT. Clever. Your mother must be so proud.

“Why not just stick to what the Bible says?”

Because then there would be no use for:

The Book of Mormon
The Pearl of Great Price
The Doctrines and Covenants
the pronouncements of the Living Prophet...

[colorcountry]

I would have to say your ideas of creation and reality are very unChristian. This was what we were talking about in the first place.

I seems, my dear Watson, that you have effectively proven MY point.....many gods, of Mormonism’s creation. Christ as only ONE of the creators.

Supreme effort on your part, my man, and all done just to prove my point. What a great intellect you are!

[greyfoxx39]

I can’t speak for Evangelicals in general. This was an opinion piece by a columnist.