Posted on 12/07/2007 8:10:37 AM PST by ZGuy
Compared the Fredheads, I have taken it very easy on Mitt.
Wide stance much?
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Then what are you doing on these threads, what value is your opinion on anything? As far as you are concerned, the world was a better place when it was ruled by the slave whipping dictator of the day.
I guess you cannot see the points that I make. The points that so many "Pharasitic Christians" make on these Romney threads amazes me....."Not Christian"..."Magic Underwear"....."Cult" ....and they are Embarrassingly bigoted.
These threads would be much more engaging if the focus was on the issues, rather than all the chest-puffing that Super-Christians practice.
To be clear....the point: [ "The absolute greatest example: Magic Forgiveness of Sins.....BWAAAAHA HA HA Ha." ], was made to respond to the denigrating comment regarding magic underwear, and my counter point was Christianity's acceptance of the miraculous (magical) absolution of sin that Christ paid for on the cross.
I never said anything different
Moral relativism.
Pffft.
On this we can agree: The only defense against the damnable heresy of false doctrine is a solid grounding in the Word of God. As a tree without roots is easily blown over in the slightest breeze, even so a Christian without a foundation of knowledge established upon the Word of God is susceptible to being moved about by whatever direction the current doctrinal wind is blowing.
We are warned in Colossians 2:8 to not be “spoiled” (seduced, carried away) with philosophy, vain deceit, tradition of men, and rudiments of the world.
and I think most churches agree with this:
Is [any church other than mine] Christian? Not according to [my interpretation of] the Bible. To be Christian one must be a follower of Christ and His teachings. There is no such thing as a “Christian [member of another church].” Do we hate [members of other churches]? No. Our hearts go out to those who have been blinded by the god of this world, lest they see the Light and believe in the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ, which is able to save their souls. Our prayer is that for all [members of other churches] to be delivered from the power of darkness and be glorious saved through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Oh, that Larry.
He actually did something good in the Senate the other day to block some Dem measures.
There’s a thread here somewhere...
Come on now; you are confusing me.
Do you ACCURATELY know, or is it just GOD who knows?
Is this a primary or GOP picnic?
Mittsters attack Fred
Fredheads attack Mitt
Mittsters and Fredheads and Hucksters attack Rudy
Everyone attacks Huckster and Paul
Dunacanistas attack all of them
Why the selective outrage? If you like Mitt, vote for him.
Part of my house is SAGGING because of them!
When I found out that ANYONE could get these mags (and NOT just Doctors and Dentists) I signed up as soon as I had my own job.
I’ve got the dvd set of ALL the old magazines, too!
Mitt Romney is the only "firewall" we have between us and another Clinton administration. Let's not repeat 1992 and "stay home" or "go third party" and let the Clintons back into the Oval Office and all that would mean to the future of this country.
We expected MR to hit a home run with his speech on religion. I can't wait to see the first of the Iowa polls that measure voter reaction to Romney's address.
I bet Mike Huckabee has that sinking feeling in the pit of his stomach right about now.
I’ve dealt with a specific claim, and a specific youtube video.
I’m not Mitt Romney, so I can’t speak to what he believes. I can quote what he says now, which I did previously, and I can point out that a poster is wrong about a question from 1994.
If you want to change the parameters of the conversation, do it without me. This has been a waste of time enough already.
IF you want to argue that the 1994 youtube video is a question about gays joining the Boy Scout Executive Board, I’ll discuss it with you. That was the original claim, and it is in my opinion clearly incorrect.
As to the piece you quote, it is the truth. I do NOT know that. I don’t know under what authority you choose to call me a liar about something I say I don’t know, when you don’t know me and have no idea what I know.
Heck, even the entire question here is a misdirection. It is stated as if Romney is “attacking” the Boy scouts. But he clearly said in 1994, and clearly says today, that they have every right to make their own rules.
His opinion on whether he would have chosen those rules is completely independent of any “attack”.
At the time he was asked the question, he was on the executive board, which is a SUPPORTING position, not an attacking position.
Look, I know people who are ATTACKING the Boy Scouts. The Mormons on the other hand are STRONG supporters of the Boy Scouts.
I was just at a camp run by a guy for the Boy Scouts, and he was praising the local Mormons for all they do for him and his place, and noting the close tie between Mormon congregations and the Boy Scouts.
The were a couple of boys (now in there 70's and successful owners of a gravel company) that wrote a book about it that live near here. They were basically the spawn of Satan in their step fathers eyes.
The name of the book escapes me for the moment, but it was a good read, not just because of that, but of the general hardship these boys endured just because things were hard growing up on a farm in those times.
I can look it up and freepmail the title to you later (it will surface from my rusty memory sooner or later) if you like.
There are a others true story books out there as well if you look for them, and are interested in reading that sort of stuff.
I can't remember if it was a mormon thing or not, but there was also a believe along the east coast, -Newfoundland, New Brunswick area- of a sort of 'dapple ganger' type thing that would switch their evil little baby for a good human one shortly after birth. Some women would actually kill their babies. Early (late 17th and 18th) accountings of post-natal depression I suppose.
"If I ever pass into heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of Prophet Joseph"
--Brigham Young
(JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224).
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
That’s funny. You have got to be careful with book collection addiction. In a few decades we’ll be reading of you and how this crazy person had tunnels of publications through their house.
On the other had they make great insulation.
The question spoke to membership, not leadership, and the answer spoke to participation, not leadership.
However, someone has pointed out to me that adults to “join” the boy scouts and therefore are considered “members”. I was thinking of “members” as being the boys who are part of scouting, not the adult volunteers.
The membership form seems to indicate you can be an adult member without being a leader.
But the point wasn’t that it was limited to boys, but that the question and answer did not deal with leadership.
Funny... I posted essentially the same thing (though not as well-worded) yesterday and I was called a LIAR for presenting the same opinion and analysis.
Who is outraged?
I just pointed out specific facts.
And, you know better than many that FReepers do not get away with attacking Fred.
You can disagree, but Mormonism is not secretive. You can read their scriptures, their church order and other church documents are on their public web site. I’ve never had a question that I’ve asked of my mormon friends go unanswered.
I’ve never heard of anybody ever being sued for statements about Mormon doctrine.
Scientology is secretive.
Well, this statement belongs to the other 1.2% then.
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