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To: SmithL

I wonder if anybody will even buy mortgages any more after this turn into corporate fascism. Bought a bond? Thought you knew what the rate of return would be? Nope, sorry, we’re the government and now your rate of return is cut in half. It’s for the good of the country (i.e. banks).


17 posted on 12/06/2007 8:13:49 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy
Well, the rate of return people expected on subprime ARMs was a fantasy to begin with - you can't make money loaning to deadbeats, and "subprime" is just financial PC-speak for "deadbeat".

If they didn't do the fix, bankers would not have received 10% returns on loans at nosebleed prices to deadbeats. The deadbeats would just hand them the keys to the house, and the banks would unload them. The industry rule of thumb is that anything that touches foreclosure loses 15% of its value just in transaction costs. Since the prices themselves are make-believe to the tune of another 20, 30, 50%, the paper was worth, realistically, as little as 35 cents on the dollar. The lower tranches of repackaged ones were worthless.

Instead keep people paying 4 or 5%, and they are worth more like 75 cents on the dollar.

The real losers are those who did not ride the house bubble up, and anyone trying to get a house transaction done. Nosebleed make believe prices are incompatible with transaction volume. Prices will be propped up and any adjustment slowed down - and as a result, nobody's house is going to sell for oh maybe three year or so after listing. (For 20% less, even then).

Orderly liquidation and a return to rational pricing are what was needed. Instead we get a "freeze". Which will help the banks, but leave capital grossly misallocation - and stationary.

28 posted on 12/06/2007 8:22:38 AM PST by JasonC
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To: jiggyboy

What’s the rate of return if they foreclose on thousands of houses in a down market?

Probably less than it will be under this plan.


29 posted on 12/06/2007 8:23:19 AM PST by RockinRight (Rumors of Fred Thompson's death have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: jiggyboy
Bought a bond? Thought you knew what the rate of return would be? Nope, sorry, we’re the government and now your rate of return is cut in half. It’s for the good of the country (i.e. banks)

Yep. We are descending into Latin American-style socialism. The little confidence global markets have in the U.S. will now evaporate.

47 posted on 12/06/2007 8:45:11 AM PST by montag813
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To: jiggyboy
I wonder if anybody will even buy mortgages any more after this turn into corporate fascism. Bought a bond? Thought you knew what the rate of return would be? Nope, sorry, we’re the government and now your rate of return is cut in half. It’s for the good of the country (i.e. banks).

I wonder why no one knew this before. A stroke of the pen changes things and always has. Do we not pay attention only when it is us? Wait till someone takes up pen against 401K's and your retirement plans.

60 posted on 12/06/2007 9:05:33 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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