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Fred is Dead? Reports are Premature
Human Events ^ | December 4, 2007 | Martha Zoller

Posted on 12/06/2007 1:46:45 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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Good analysis.
1 posted on 12/06/2007 1:46:47 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the critical state primary for Fred is South Carolina’s. He must win there, and I expect he will.


2 posted on 12/06/2007 2:12:41 AM PST by HAL9000 (Fred Thompson/Mike Huckabee 2008)
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To: HAL9000

He has my vote-but then I’m one of the few non-Baptists down here.
Lets hope the Huckster doesn’t flim-flamm the faithful of SC.
Still,the Huckabee “Willie Horton” scandal certainly won’t help him in our solid “law and order” state.


3 posted on 12/06/2007 2:31:39 AM PST by Happy Rain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Funny, we were just commenting on this on another thread.

They're doing their best to bury him in the media.

"You'll have to tell Hillary I can't take him yet, he's still placed 3rd nationally. You'll have to wait for the South Carolina primary"

4 posted on 12/06/2007 2:49:55 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Happy Rain

This is interesting. Thank you for posting it.


5 posted on 12/06/2007 2:49:55 AM PST by DeLaine (I have a new philosophy. I'm only going to dread one day at a time...Charles Schultz)
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To: Happy Rain
"He has my vote-but then I’m one of the few non-Baptists down here. Lets hope the Huckster doesn’t flim-flamm the faithful of SC."

Hey, if they get fooled by the "I'm one of you" argument, they deserve what they get. Cajuns in Louisiana voted overwhelmingly for Katherine "Babineaux" Blanco and against Bobby Jindal (in his first run for governor), because she "was one of them", and look at the result--can you say Katrina and Rita.

They appear to have learned their lesson in Jindal's SECOND run.

6 posted on 12/06/2007 3:16:02 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The responses to Katrina and Rita are symptoms of much larger and critical problems: that government does a lousy job in promoting economic order because of the wastes associated with bureaucracy and that 'We the people' actually favor the environments that allow government to become bureaucratized like this.

Yes, Fred is dead, but it's because very few voters actually want government limited and because that is the exact thing Fred is proposing.

7 posted on 12/06/2007 3:27:58 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Happy Rain

Well, I am a Baptist and, like you, I am a Navy veteran and I consider Fred Thompson the only hope on the horizon. I watched the Charlie Rose interview on the web and I began to understand all the negative press, Fred simply scares the liberals so bad they are soiling their clothing.


8 posted on 12/06/2007 3:54:46 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
BREAKING NEWS...sorta

Real Clear Politics poll average in South Carolina, as of today, FRed surges past Roody Doody to take 2'nd place.!

9 posted on 12/06/2007 3:56:47 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (New species of plant, Brigadier General WideStance©®™)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is doing better in the polls. The main reason, though, I think is that Giuliani has taken a dive. It would be much better if he were going up on the strength of his own candidacy.

Fortunately, Hillary is in a similar predicament, but I still don’t think there is any real doubt that Hillary will beat Obama.


10 posted on 12/06/2007 3:57:09 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The bottom line here is don’t count Fred out.

I just ordered a sweat shirt off of his website. Close to $40 bucks with Fedex shipping. It is my Christmas present to myself, not a winter holiday present. I am looking forward to wearing it to the several events of the holidays, in particular, some "family" events.

11 posted on 12/06/2007 4:04:55 AM PST by OBXWanderer (dontvoteincumbent.com)
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Good for you.Sounds like you want to stir up a little family cheer.Have fun.


12 posted on 12/06/2007 4:14:21 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: LowCountryJoe
New Orleans failed because New Orleans is one of the most corrupt and evil cities in the Nation... and their government was set up a Century ago to steal... not govern. The FED and their actions were MAGNIFICENT in Mississippi... and you are WRONG about Fred and the people in this Nation. RCP has Fred back #2 Nationally.

LLS

13 posted on 12/06/2007 4:22:20 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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"The responses to Katrina and Rita are symptoms of much larger and critical problem."

I disagree. Blanco was a HUGE part of the problem. Read up on the different approaches of Blanco and Jindal when responding to the levee breaches. Blanco diddled and stewed. Jindal assumed authority to get things done. In one instance, a company with a flight of helicopters was trying to get permission to "go in" and start pulling people out. State gov't couldn't get its act together to say "yes". Jindal, when contacted simply said "go in". He probably didn't have the legal authority as a district congressman to say that---but it got done.

"Yes, Fred is dead, but it's because very few voters actually want government limited and because that is the exact thing Fred is proposing."

And THIS I disagree with completely. Fred seems to me to be doing quite well. Certainly the MSM is doing everything they can to tear him down.

14 posted on 12/06/2007 4:29:18 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: LibLieSlayer

so, how is this not a government failure again?


15 posted on 12/06/2007 7:30:58 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe
It was a failure of their local and state governments... not Bush or the Fed. FEMA, the Fed and President Bush ALWAYS get the blame... even here on FR. Those of us that survived Katrina KNOW the truth... the rest are lying dims and welfare pimps.

LLS

16 posted on 12/06/2007 7:35:03 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: Wonder Warthog

50 percent of voting Americans will vote for a Democrat. A large percentage of Republicans support someone like nanny~state Huckabee. So, you may disagree with me completely, but it doesn’t make you correct.


17 posted on 12/06/2007 7:37:40 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like Fred, but will go with whoever wins the primary. That’s better than what they (dems) have to offer.


18 posted on 12/06/2007 7:41:59 AM PST by StnCldTruth (A gun in hand, is better than a cop on the phone !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Good analysis.

Not really. Ms. Zoller starts out talking about why we shouldn't count Fred out, and she ends that way ... but there's no sustained analysis of WHY we shouldn't count him out.

A rehearsal of the problems with Social Security is all very nice, but it doesn't explain the electoral dynamics that Ms. Zoller purports to be discussing. Why will this resonate with primary voters so that Fred gets nominated? That's the important question, and she dodges it.

This "analysis" is really nothing more than a campaign advocacy piece for Fred Thompson.

19 posted on 12/06/2007 7:44:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

So, who are YOU carrying water for?


20 posted on 12/06/2007 7:49:50 AM PST by John Valentine
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