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Conclusion: "...Over the course of a decade, our intelligence services badly underestimated Saddam's nuclear ambitions, then overestimated them. Now they have done a 180-degree turn on Iran, and in such a way that will contribute to a complacency that will make it easier for Iran to build a weapon. Our intelligence services are supposed to inform the policies of elected officials, but increasingly their judgments seem to be setting policy. This is dangerous.


1 posted on 12/05/2007 6:44:10 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Analysts who contribute to the NIE are just stating their opinion, it is not absolute. Do not accept it as gospel it is only their opinion.


2 posted on 12/05/2007 6:48:53 AM PST by darkwing104
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To: shrinkermd
Whether Iran has stopped its thousands of centrifuges is open to debate. We probably don't have good intel on that.

However, we see from the recent "delivery" by the North Korean cement ship that there are other means by which to obtain a weapon.

Does anyone really doubt that Ahmadi-Nutjob seeks desperately to own a bomb? And does anyone really doubt that he would use it?

3 posted on 12/05/2007 6:50:32 AM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: shrinkermd
More "smoke and mirrors" from the Left.

Bush is one of the few realists in DC.

4 posted on 12/05/2007 6:53:27 AM PST by syriacus (Clintons have said THEY were CO-PRESIDENTS for 8 years. How can THEY be running for 4 MORE years?)
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To: shrinkermd
If your intel is the only information available (which could be the case, when you’re intel people examine all the information you have, plus all the extra stuff they have) then it’s hard to justify making a decision that’s based on anything other than intel, but your judgment about the reasonableness of the analysis.

People need to know what intelligence is. Having some graduate studies in intelligence collection and analysis, and having worked in an “intel-lite” field, I’ve got an opinion on what intelligence really is.

Forget they intelligence cycle, or the textbook definition of “distilled knowledge”. Intelligence is an effort to create an informed opinion about a whole system, using only the available, incomplete pieces of that system.

Think about a puzzle. If you have a 1000 piece puzzle, and you’ve got 500, but you can only see the first 10 pieces in front of you, you might not have any idea what the picture will look like. Maybe your ten pieces fit together to give you a distinctive looking feature. Hypothetically, lets say you get a tan face of Teddy Roosevelt, and think the picture is Mount Rushmore. So, you go to the box and pull of the tan pieces and start putting them together to see if you have the rest of the faces. So, if you have some of Washington and Lincoln, and it’s big enough to cover the whole puzzle, then you might be confident you’re puzzle is Mount Rushmore. If it’s only 1/4 of the right size, maybe Rushmore is only part of it, and you start looking for pieces that look like other monuments. If you get tan pictures of other presidents, maybe it’s not Rushmore at all. That’s as good an analogy for intel collection and analysis as I can come up with, with the warning that you may have pieces from other puzzles, that don’t belong, in there too. Oh, except you never have time to finish the puzzle, and lives can be at stake.

Really, when you think about it, you can be reasonably sure about something with incomplete information. You can also be wrong, because you’ve got information that doesn’t actually belong in your analysis, or because people have lied to you, or because you just happened to get all of the pieces that didn’t fit first, and you can’t know they didn’t fit.

What we should expect from our intel folks is that they find the best processes and follow them as well as they can. That will give them the greatest likelihood of being right as often as possible. It never guarantees 100% accuracy, and you cannot create an atmosphere that discourages people from throwing out their own conclusions and starting over. The worst mistakes are continuing with bad thinking, because you can’t see past it, or you are afraid to admit you are wrong (not just intel, but any analysis work). Very often I’m wrong at work (no one dies because my work isn’t important), but almost always, my answers were the best I or anyone else could come up with given our time and information limits. (BTW, wrong doesn’t mean what I said was going on wasn’t happening, it usually means time frames or magnitude, etc. were off) Every time I figure out that I’m wrong, I try to make my estimates better. That’s all you can do.

Whether is another good analogy. I change my plans based on the chance of a specific kind of weather, and how much that weather impacts on my plans. For example, I’ll make travel plans if there is a 40% chance of light snow, I might not if it’s 90%. I wouldn’t stain my deck when there was a 10% chance of rain, because that would ruin it, and I had the time to push back my deck staining. But we know that the weathermen aren’t right all the time, and we’d be crazy to assume they were wrong all of the time, or to completely ignore them.

5 posted on 12/05/2007 8:02:12 AM PST by NYFriend
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To: shrinkermd

We’ve learned nothing post 9/11. Our most important intellligence institutions are still political hacks. The forgotten agenda is defending this country.


6 posted on 12/05/2007 9:15:51 AM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: shrinkermd

What this really means is that the US will not militarily confront Iran. Israel is on its own.


7 posted on 12/05/2007 9:23:45 AM PST by mojito
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To: Stillwaters

Wall Street Journal agrees with much of the speculation from yesterday’s Newsmax article.


8 posted on 12/05/2007 9:56:13 AM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: shrinkermd
This helps to explain...
Our own "confidence" is not heightened by the fact that the NIE's main authors include three former State Department officials with previous reputations as "hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials," according to an intelligence source.

9 posted on 12/05/2007 9:59:47 AM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: shrinkermd

“Ahmadinejad is harmless” bump


13 posted on 12/06/2007 10:28:15 PM PST by Dajjal
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