Posted on 12/04/2007 11:44:21 PM PST by Plutarch
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical Christian support, bristled Tuesday when asked if creationism should be taught in public schools.
Huckabee — who raised his hand at a debate last May when asked which candidates disbelieved the theory of evolution — asked this time why there is such a fascination with his beliefs.
"I believe God created the heavens and the Earth," he said at a news conference with Iowa pastors who murmured, "Amen."
"I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know," Huckabee said.
But he expressed frustration that he is asked about it so often, arguing with the questioner that it ultimately doesn't matter what his personal views are.
"That's an irrelevant question to ask me — I'm happy to answer what I believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states," Huckabee said. "Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."
The former Arkansas governor pointed out he has advocated for broad public school course lists that include the creative arts and math and science. Why, then, he asked, is evolution such a fascination?
In fact, religion seems to be more of an issue in the GOP Iowa caucuses with one month left before the voting.
In recent weeks, Huckabee has moved from the back of the pack in the state to challenge longtime leader Mitt Romney, who would be the first Mormon president.... Christian evangelicals, by many estimates, make up anywhere from 30 percent to 50 percent of Republicans who will attend caucuses...
Earlier Tuesday in Newton, Iowa, Huckabee wouldn't say whether he thought Mormonism — rival Romney's religion — was a cult...
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Because he sees it for the baiting that it is.
Huckabee is a Flim Flam Man, a cross between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
Don’t be part of putting him in the White House!
Here, this will help. You will have to decide, though, whether you’re looking at *true* as a noun, verb, adjective, or adverb.
Actually, that’s my point.
Most of us agree that SOME of it is allegorical...few would suggest that your examples are.
It’s that nether region in between that is in dispute.
Show me the Scripture that states the age of the earth.
Peter tells us that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day with the LORD. Now given that 'the farmer' was not created/formed until the day after the 7th there would be at minimum 8 days of creation and by God's measurement at least 8 thousand years starting in Genesis l:3. What I read being described from Genesis 1:3 to Genesis 1:19 is this earth being 'cleaned up' say like a global superfund site making this planet habitable again for flesh to exist and survive. Then after this planet was readied, flesh man was formed for an age wherein all God's children had opportunity to come from the Father to go through this age without remembrance of what took place in that first age. Solomon describes this in Ecclesiastes 1:11... verse ll There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. Yet the literal evidence demonstrates the vast amount of time.
Genesis does not describe the creation or formation of the 'soul' yet it clearly states flesh is not living until that breath of life which literally means the soul was breathing into it. We are told that the 'soul' returns to the Father that sent it. We are also told in other places that a soul has a pre-flesh history.
"...engaging [in] what I will call from here on "trailer park scholarship" .... Who are these people trying to kid? Their scholarship, as a whole, is reckless and pitiable; what they know, they have learned from reading a few popular books with no conception of the broader issues and fields at hand. .. "Why did God make the Bible so hard to understand, then?" It isn't -- none of this keeps a person from grasping the message of the Bible to the extent required to be saved; where the line is to be drawn is upon those who gratuitously assume that such base knowledge allows them to be competent critics [or commentators] of the text, and make that assumption in absolute ignorance of their own lack of knowledge.."
I am just trying to understand the distinction between true and literal. Surely you don't think that the Sun and the Moon stopped for Joshua. So then is Joshua's story a parable? A figurative example of Gods power?
What is your definition of true?
Do you not think that God could not have stopped the sun if He had chosen to?
That’s called a miracle and they still happen.
Did the link not work for you?
That sounds very figurative to me. So you would say that the 7-8 days of creation are figurative then, because you are using Peters figurative example?
Re: The Sun not moving, etc. (It’s not what you think):
The stopping of the sun by Joshua http://www.christian-thinktank.com/5felled.html
The reversal of the sun’s course by Isaiah http://www.christian-thinktank.com/5felled.html
The parting of the sea by Moses http://www.christian-thinktank.com/5felled.html
The feeding of thousands of people by Jesus using only five loaves of bread and two fishes http://www.christian-thinktank.com/5felled.html
The post-crucifixion resurrection of the saints, and their subsequent appearance to many. http://www.christian-thinktank.com/5felled.html
Certainly an omnipotent God could do anything : ) So to be clear, You are stating that God stopped the earth from rotating and stopped the Moon in its orbit for a day or so and then started the earth rotating again and let the moon resume its orbiting?
You're not a careful reader. "Trailer park biblical scholarship" is the phrase; not "trailer trash".
And it's evident that you didn't read my link (or my earlier post about inerrancy) or you wouldn't have made such a knee-jerk reply.
You may see my post #77 for other links you aren't interested in, also. (They, too, debunk your simplistic understanding of Scripture).
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