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To: editor-surveyor; Diego1618
For example, [Revelation 20:14-15]
"And death and hell (Hades,the grave) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Note the term "second death". It's called the "second death" because those who have been resurrected go through a judgment. If they do not accept Christ, they go through the second death.

needs to be expanded a few verses to see that [Rev 20:10]
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

The devil, who IS immortal, is cast into the lake of fire. The beast and false prophet, who are mortal and human, WERE thrown into the lake of fire earlier:

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The verse you quoted:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

The word highlighted in red "are" is in parenthesis to indicate that it was added to the greek...it is not part of the inspired text. It is translator bias. If the word "are" is used, it indicates that they're still alive. However, not all translations use "are". For example the Modern King James renders it:

Rev 20:10 And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [were}. And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

They WERE thrown into the lake of fire. And died.

"Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is a good example. Let's look at the NASB:

Jud 1:5 Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

Jude brings up the example of destroying non-believers. Destroying, not subjecting to an everlasting hell.

Jud 1:6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

He contrasts it with demons who are not mortal who are kept bound until judgment day.

Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Most commentators say this refers to the original destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah by "eternal fire". It's the fire that's eternal, not the punishment. It can be thought of as "the fire of the eternal" or as I prefer, a perpetual fire which is an example of the type of fire that was burning in gehenna, a fire that never went out, a garbage dump in a valley where waste and refuge were thrown. A previous post pointed this out.

Again, there are literally dozens of scriptural references that show that eternal life is a gift of God to believers. However, modern Christianity somehow has bought into the notion that eternal life is something we already have.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sinners do NOT have eternal life. The fate of sinners is death, to perish.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

54 posted on 12/07/2007 10:06:09 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You’re deceiving yourself.

The word ‘are’ is only added for flow, and doesn’t change the meaning. English and Greek are not structured the same. Greek doesn’t require as many prepositions or articles to flow.

Spirits are not material, and are indeed eternal.

BTW, I don’t waste my time with so-called ‘modern’ ‘translations,’ since they were all based on the unbelievers Wescott and Hort’s revival of deliberately corrupted texts Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, that were produced by the mischief of Clement and Origen.


55 posted on 12/07/2007 10:44:08 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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