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To: DouglasKC

You’re deceiving yourself.

The word ‘are’ is only added for flow, and doesn’t change the meaning. English and Greek are not structured the same. Greek doesn’t require as many prepositions or articles to flow.

Spirits are not material, and are indeed eternal.

BTW, I don’t waste my time with so-called ‘modern’ ‘translations,’ since they were all based on the unbelievers Wescott and Hort’s revival of deliberately corrupted texts Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, that were produced by the mischief of Clement and Origen.


55 posted on 12/07/2007 10:44:08 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
You’re deceiving yourself.
The word ‘are’ is only added for flow, and doesn’t change the meaning. English and Greek are not structured the same. Greek doesn’t require as many prepositions or articles to flow.

It's added for flow because of translator bias. It's purposely put into parenthesis to show that it's NOT part of the greek...to show that it's added. However, the flow, the bias, is entirely up to the translator and is not inspired.

Spirits are not material, and are indeed eternal.

In a general sense that's true. But what are you referring to?

Do you disagree that eternal life is a gift of God and that the fate of sinners is death?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

BTW, I don’t waste my time with so-called ‘modern’ ‘translations,’ since they were all based on the unbelievers Wescott and Hort’s revival of deliberately corrupted texts Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, that were produced by the mischief of Clement and Origen.

I prefer the King James and the NASB. I will bring up other translations though to show that scripture translation is entirely up to the biases of the interpreters.

56 posted on 12/07/2007 11:07:57 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: editor-surveyor; DouglasKC
Spirits are not material, and are indeed eternal.

I guess what started me thinking about the false idea of an ever burning Hellfire (1955-1960) was the fact that all the ancient philosophers believed this also. They all taught the "Immortality of the Soul" and eternal punishment....or paradise. Plato, Socrates and Virgil were the writings that most influenced Dante and his "Divine Comedy". Something nagged at me about this being a true doctrine.

Dante Alighieri (1265-1321 A.D.) described his views of Hell, Purgatory and Paradise in vivid detail and had a great influence on the beliefs of his time. The ancient Greeks and Romans were all quite familiar with these concepts and Dante continued this thought into the middle ages.

You will not find the immortality of the soul taught in scripture.....in fact....just the opposite [Ezekiel 18:4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Why would the Holy Spirit inspire that to be written? Isn't the concept of an eternal soul wafting around the universe a traditional doctrine?

As Douglas has offered....there are many scriptures showing the soul to be mortal....none showing the soul as immortal. [Genesis 2:7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man does not have a soul. Man is a soul!

What are the wages of sin? [Romans 6:23] It says death... not ever burning life in some eternal fire. [Psalm 115:17] The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. [Psalm 6:5] For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Don't these scriptures plainly reveal the fact that the dead know nothing? Why would God put people in Hell....leaving them there for eternity....if they could not remember why they were being punished? Isn't that a silly concept?

The reason the dead know nothing is explained here: [John 5:28-29] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. This was a difficult concept for these disciples and that's why The Lord said "Marvel not". He knew that folks would find this hard to believe.... that everyone who had ever lived....and died....would come alive again. He did not say....some are already in Hell suffering eternal torture. He said "all that are in the graves"!

David understood this when he said: [Psalm 17:15] As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. David knew he would be resurrected to immortality....with a likeness of God. [Job also knew this: [Job 14:13-15] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

And of course....the Apostle speaks of the same thing: [1 Corinthians 15:51-52] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. He also states this concept is difficult to understand....it's a mystery!

How can people be resurrected to immortality if they are already floating around in some type of spirit....and more importantly.....why should they be if they are already immortal? Do you see how silly this becomes? The idea of an ever burning Hellfire was invented by the early church as a means of keeping the folks in line. It is not in scripture! Why in the world would God seek to burn someone forever? After a hundred years or so it would become boring. After a thousand years or so it would become silly. After a couple of trillion years or so.......it would be stupid!

There is a "Lake of Fire" spoken of in scripture where the second death will be experienced for those incorrigible sinners who refuse to accept the Lord and His ways. They will not have repented of their sins and will suffer eternal death as a punishment.

66 posted on 12/07/2007 3:21:45 PM PST by Diego1618
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