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Iran NIE Is Not A Typical Intel NIE
The Strata-Sphere ^ | 12-04-07 | AJ Strata

Posted on 12/04/2007 8:31:53 PM PST by jrooney

Wild Speculation Alert: I have listed a lot of coincidental and circumstantial evidence in this post folks. I feel compelled to warn everyone when I see links to this NIE and Valerie Plame!

It seems the NIE was NOT a consensus view of the US Intelligence Community but a hack job by some folks with possible political aspirations (wonder what CNN debate these folks will turn up in):

A highly controversial, 150 page National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran’s nuclear programs was coordinated and written by former State Department political and intelligence analysts — not by more seasoned members of the U.S. intelligence community, Newsmax has learned.

Its most dramatic conclusion — that Iran shut down its nuclear weapons program in 2003 in response to international pressure — is based on a single, unvetted source who provided information to a foreign intelligence service and has not been interviewed directly by the United States.

H/T Reader Kathie. No NIE Key Judgments would EVER be based on a single source that had not been vetted. Even the Israelis believe Iran has restarted their weapons program. Is someone trying to pull a Curveball on the US again? I mean this sounds like your classical “slam dunk” - doesn’t it? Well there are political animals sprinkled all through the Federal Government - and this one just went too far:

The National Intelligence Council, which produced the NIE, is chaired by Thomas Fingar, “a State Department intelligence analyst with no known overseas experience who briefly headed the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research,” I wrote in my book “Shadow Warriors: The Untold Story of Traitors, Saboteurs, and the Party of Surrender.” [Editor’s Note: Get “Shadow Warriors” free — go here now.]

Fingar was a key partner of Senate Democrats in their successful effort to derail the confirmation of John Bolton in the spring of 2005 to become the U.S. permanent representative to the United Nations.

As the head of the NIC, Fingar has gone out of his way to fire analysts “who asked the wrong questions,” and who challenged the politically-correct views held by Fingar and his former State Department colleagues, as revealed in “Shadow Warriors.”

In March 2007, Fingar fired his top Cuba and Venezuela analyst, Norman Bailey, after he warned of the growing alliance between Castro and Chavez.

Yeah, like there is no bond between Chavez and Castro. I am looking into the names of the folks behind this NIE. They look to be targets of the left most of the time, but I did find some interesting points. It seems Fingar is more of an Academic than one would suspect:

Six months later, Director George Tenet delivered the CIA’s conclusion in testimony before the Senate: Contrary to its own earlier analysis, the CIA now believed that North Korea would test an intercontinental missile in the “near future.” In response to this new threat, the Clinton administration earmarked $6.6 billion over five years to develop a missile-defense system.

Over at the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), analysts argued that the North Koreans were much farther off than the CIA believed. North Korea could potentially threaten the United States within a decade “only if it abandons its current moratorium on long-range missile flight testing,” Tom Fingar, then-acting principal deputy assistant secretary of INR, testified before Congress in February 2001. Although the White House and Congress accepted the CIA’s analysis, INR ultimately proved to be correct. In the five years since Tenet’s testimony, North Korea has yet to test an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Second, INR gets a different kind of analyst. The CIA, under the gun to staff up mightily after its ranks were thinned by budget cuts in the 1970s and 1990s, tends to recruit kids right out of college and train them in their new “specialties.” (All new CIA hires must be under 35 years of age, although that requirement is occasionally waived.) And while the CIA’s young analysts occasionally travel to their countries of responsibility and bone up by reading at their desk, they have little first-hand experience of their regions. INR couldn’t be more different. Among the civil servants who make up two-thirds of its staff are many scholars lured out of the academy who come with years of knowledge. Fingar is one of them: He spent a decade-and-a-half as a scholar at Stanford’s U.S.-China relations program, speaks fluent Mandarin, and has traveled widely in China. The other third of INR’s staff are Foreign Service officers rotating through who usually have spent several diplomatic tours in the country or region they are focusing on at INR, and who thus have both a reservoir of knowledge about its personalities and history, and a deep well of personal contacts.

Whoever wrote this really had it wrong on North Korea’s intercontinental ballistic missile tests - they have been trying. Just not succeeding. But one thing is clear, Fingar is a hang-on from the Clinton days. And everyone should recognize the initials INR from the Plame Games.

So what about Kenneth Brill? Well, he also has some interesting intersections with Plame and Wilson - he worked with Joe Wilson at State. More than that he claimed in 2005 that Iran has lied to fit the facts on its nuclear weapons programs:

Following disclosures of previously undeclared nuclear activities, in March 2004, Brill said, “The Iranians change their stories to fit the facts.” He added, “I think it’s striking that the more the agency learns, the more the Iranians have to change their stories,” and he predicted the IAEA would have to deal with Iran “for many years to come.”

Needless to say he too is a Clinton holdover. My guess is we will discover these folks linked to the last big INR/CIA intel leak - the Wilson claim that Bush and Cheney used forged documents to go into Iraq. The timing is way too similar.

Update: More here on Brill and Fingar and their opposition to Bush:

DNI Negroponte is appointing Kenneth C. Brill, a frequent antagonist of Bush administration hardliners on policies toward North Korean and Iraq, to the new post of director of the National Counterproliferation Center, an Executive Level II job that outranks undersecretaries, the Washington Post reported.

Is the timing of these old Clinton hands coming out with this stuff tied to the coming election? Hmm,….

Update: From this tidbit I would bet Fingar and Plame crossed paths many times:

Thomas Fingar, like a number of members of John Negroponte’s inner circle, hails from the State Department. He led the department’s intelligence unit, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), which raised some of the strongest objections to the determination by the CIA and others that Iraq was trying to build nuclear weapons rather than enhancing its conventional arsenal. The twist of fate in Fingar’s new job will not be lost on intelligence observers.

Recall Plame was heading up the entire Intelligence Community’s Joint Task Force on Iraq and WMDs at the time I believe Fingar was at INR. If Fingar was one of those few, like Plame, claiming Iraq was NOT attempting to acquire nuclear weapons then they would become fast allies in the small IC world. These two people rubbed shoulders - trust me. It is no secret the INR Fingar led played such a central role in Wilson’s trip as well. Coincidence? And now we come back to the big mystery of the Wilson trip to Niger - why DID the IC debrief Joe Wilson at his house with Valerie when he came back from Niger? Why not bring him in? And who were the two INR/CIA folks at the debriefing (and possibly provided corroboration to the Kristof pieces when Joe was still anonymous)?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: harmonydatabase; intelligence; iran; irannukes; joewilson; johnnegroponte; kennethbrill; lebanon; negroponte; nie; niger; nigerflap; nukes; parchin; roguestatedept; russia; shadowgovernment; statedepartment; statedept; thomasfingar; valerieplame
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To: PhilDragoo

Damn...that is a good one...


41 posted on 12/04/2007 10:09:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: jrooney; smoothsailing; SierraWasp; dervish; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; blam; SunkenCiv

Thanks for posting this.


42 posted on 12/04/2007 10:10:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: jrooney

DNI Negroponte surrounds himself with old Clinton State Department hacks, huh?
Negroponte was appointed by Bush. Another nice job, Bush.


43 posted on 12/04/2007 10:11:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Gritty; dixiechick2000; SJackson; syriacus; FARS; edcoil; Dog; jeffers; gonzo; Fred Nerks; piasa; ..

fyi


44 posted on 12/04/2007 10:17:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: jveritas

Anything that comes out of the State Department is BS. Joe McCarthy where are you now that we need you?


45 posted on 12/04/2007 10:24:19 PM PST by pankot
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To: PhilDragoo

bump!!


46 posted on 12/04/2007 10:24:35 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Thanks E.


47 posted on 12/04/2007 10:35:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jrooney

Well .. when Reid says, “We asked for this report” .. a big red flag went up - and I was wondering if the Clinton leftovers in the CIA had put their heads together to see what they could come up with.

Then I hear Rush say there are suspicions that this report was dredged up in order to keep Bush from attacking Iran.

I don’t think that will stop him.


48 posted on 12/04/2007 10:39:40 PM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: jrooney

So why did the White House allow this to be published? It totally confuses the message. Bush looked surprised and blindsided, saying “well, they could restart it”. It was either a lame way to execute a policy change or Bush has no control over the executive branch.


49 posted on 12/04/2007 10:49:06 PM PST by Deathmonger
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yowser - disinformation or pure bullshit. Maybe we’ll learn more on Friday, at a hurry-up press conference, at about 7:30 EST ...................................... FRegards


50 posted on 12/04/2007 11:13:33 PM PST by gonzo (http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listing/63472)
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To: gonzo; All; 1035rep; 1curiousmind; 4woodenboats; 2ndDivisionVet; 5Madman2; 68skylark; AdmSmith; ...

The State Dept., has gone on record saying their job as diplomats is NOT to promote or encourage any ACTION but to promote discussion and only discussion. This says it all.

The NIE has done just that.


51 posted on 12/04/2007 11:31:29 PM PST by FARS
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem

ping


52 posted on 12/04/2007 11:34:09 PM PST by Wiz
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


53 posted on 12/04/2007 11:34:10 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
So what has it gained in all this by the logic of U.S. intelligence?

Perhaps, the ability to publicly state that there will be no concessions and nothing will stop them now. Obviously they are able to state this because they have compromised U.S. Intelligence.

54 posted on 12/05/2007 12:25:12 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: jrooney

i FELT and believe that the Iran ‘estimate’ was a puppet master disinformation effort from the git go.

Just didn’t make sense except from the geopolitical perspective of the globalists.


56 posted on 12/05/2007 1:59:55 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Just didn’t make sense except from the geopolitical perspective of the globalists.

The dead give-away was its wording... it sounded like it came from foggy-bottom.

57 posted on 12/05/2007 2:27:19 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: jrooney
Its most dramatic conclusion — that Iran shut down its nuclear weapons program in 2003 in response to international pressure

About the same time 150,000+ diplomats from the US Army and the US Marine Corps went into Iraq. The mullahs and Mahmoud are still alive and Saddam is dead. Hmmmmmm....

58 posted on 12/05/2007 2:42:04 AM PST by Bernard ("Rare, Safe and Legal" - what an ideal Immigration Policy should look like.)
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To: jrooney
IMO, this is push back by liberals trying to stop GW from taking out Iran’s nuke facilities. Problem is this will come back to haunt the dems in the long run.

It occurs to me that the Democrats have not thought this through all the way. Take out New York City with a dirty bomb, and New York State goes from blue to red. Take out Chicago, and Illinois goes from blue to red. and so on and so on and so on...

59 posted on 12/05/2007 2:44:28 AM PST by Bernard ("Rare, Safe and Legal" - what an ideal Immigration Policy should look like.)
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To: Bernard

The State Dept does not care. Never have.


60 posted on 12/05/2007 2:55:33 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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