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Measure would target birthright citizenship
Associated Press with Sign On San Diego ^ | December 3, 2007 | Paul Davenport

Posted on 12/04/2007 11:29:33 AM PST by yorkie

Arizona voters may be asked to decide whether to prohibit the state from issuing birth certificates to children of non-U.S. citizens and require hospitals to check the citizenship of parents of newborns.

Those are key provisions of a proposed initiative filed Friday for possible inclusion on the November 2008 ballot, and a leading legislative critic of illegal immigration says he plans similar but separate legislation to take the issue to voters.

Della Montgomery, the woman who filed the proposed initiative with the Secretary of State's Office, did not immediately return a call for comment Monday, but the proposed “Birthright Citizenship Alignment Act” appears to be aimed at illegal immigration. “They are awarding the full privileges of United States citizenship of all persons born in the state without regard for the clear and equal requirements of federal law that a person born in the United States, shall citizenship be bestowed, shall not be subject to any foreign power and owe direct and immediate allegiance to the United States,” the proposed initiative's declaration of purpose states.

Some critics of illegal immigration contend that the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment has been misapplied and was never intended to automatically grant citizenship to babies of illegal immigrants.

The constitutional provision was enacted after the Civil War and was meant to apply to former slaves, said Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa. “It has nothing to do with aliens.”

Supporters of the proposed initiative would need to submit signatures of at least 153,365 voters by July 3 to qualify the measure for the ballot, while legislative approval alone would be enough to put a referendum being drafted by Pearce on the ballot.

While generally banning issuance of birth certificates to non-citizens, the measure would permit one to be issued to a child whose mother is a foreign citizen and whose father is a U.S. citizen if the father formally acknowledges parentage and agrees in writing to financially support the child until adulthood.

The initiative also would require that hospitals submit “certified documentation of the parents' United States legal status” to local registrars with birth certificates for newborns.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; anchorbabies; citizenship; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 12/04/2007 11:29:34 AM PST by yorkie
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To: yorkie

Please read the rest of the article. I did not click ‘excerpt’. Sorry.


2 posted on 12/04/2007 11:30:13 AM PST by yorkie
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To: yorkie

Unfortunately, I have a feeling this law would run afoul of the 14th amendment, as it (the amendment) is currently written.


3 posted on 12/04/2007 11:32:09 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: yorkie
It would be overturned by the Court.
4 posted on 12/04/2007 11:33:37 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: yorkie
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Sorry. It's pretty clear that anyone born in the country is a citizen. Change the Constitution with an amendment. We've had enough legislative end runs around it already.

And I'm for closed borders.
5 posted on 12/04/2007 11:33:53 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"Unfortunately, I have a feeling this law would run afoul of the 14th amendment, as it (the amendment) is currently written."

I was under the assumption that there was some debate regarding the interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

6 posted on 12/04/2007 11:35:08 AM PST by yorkie
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Sounds like a good idea to me. Let’s take it through the process.......................


7 posted on 12/04/2007 11:35:36 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: mysterio
subject to the jurisdiction thereof

I fear you might be right, but could one argue that an illegal isn't subject to the jurisdiction thereof by definition?

I'm way out of my league with legaleese so I'll leave it for others to decide.

8 posted on 12/04/2007 11:36:13 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: mysterio

At this point we couldn’t get two thirds to agree the sun comes up in the east.


9 posted on 12/04/2007 11:37:19 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: yorkie

It would bring it before the court again. Ultimately a Constitutional Amendment will be necessary - and is long overdue.


10 posted on 12/04/2007 11:40:42 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: yorkie
I was under the assumption that there was some debate regarding the interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

The Supreme Court has, several times, held that the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil except for children of foreign diplomats (who, having diplomatic immunity, are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.).

11 posted on 12/04/2007 11:41:25 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: yorkie

50 cals. at the border would make any arguement in the future a forgone conclusion. those already here would be a different matter.


12 posted on 12/04/2007 11:43:04 AM PST by robomatik
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To: Owl_Eagle
I don't see any wiggle room whatsoever in interpretation of the 14th.

If you want to combat illegal immigration, there is one sure-fire way to do it. You fine businesses and corporations that hire illegals $10,000 per day per illegal whether they were aware that the worker was illegal or not. You'd see the problem solved nearly instantly.
13 posted on 12/04/2007 11:43:07 AM PST by mysterio
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To: yorkie

Maybe it should be a felony for an illegal alien to give birth in America.


14 posted on 12/04/2007 11:43:20 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Join me for the Million Minutemen March --- Summer 2008!!)
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To: yorkie

Sounds good to me. However, with 50 or more Mexican consulates in the US maybe Mexico will fight for their citizens. Ya think? Otherwise, we are assisting Mexico in genocide.


15 posted on 12/04/2007 11:45:17 AM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: Owl_Eagle

“subject to the jurisdiction thereof
I fear you might be right, but could one argue that an illegal isn’t subject to the jurisdiction thereof by definition?

I’m way out of my league with legaleese so I’ll leave it for others to decide.”


Only aliens (legal or illegal) who have official diplomatic immunity aren’t “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
We prosecute illegal aliens for crimes committed in the US. They are subject to state and federal jurisdiction. Deportation of illegals is a jurisdictional issue since its illegal to be in the US without a visa (or a MasterCard! ;-)


16 posted on 12/04/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by jamese777
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To: yorkie

What business is it of the US Supreme Court to tell the states the conditions under which they may issue birth certificates? Already the various states collect information on birth parents to put in these certificates, why shouldn’t “Citizen of:” not be one of them?


17 posted on 12/04/2007 11:47:13 AM PST by hunter112 (RootyBootyGate will save the Republican Party from its worst enemy.)
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To: yorkie

The first step towards properly defining the 14th by way of a new amendment, I like it.


18 posted on 12/04/2007 11:47:36 AM PST by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: mysterio
The meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” has been extensively debated. In fact, it was extensively debated by the very people who wrote the amendment. There are records of those debates which indicate that the amendment was not intended to apply to American Indians, (who hadn’t illegally crossed US borders). In fact, American Indians didn’t get birthright citizenship until the Dawes acts, independent of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment was also deemed by it’s writers as not applicable to diplomats (who were legally in the country, and had diplomatic immunity besides).

The writers of the amendment did not specifically mention illegal aliens, but it’s pretty clear that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was intended to include only those who were part of a given states society. More particularly, it’s clear that the writers of the amendment intended it to apply to former slaves and their children. Illegal aliens simply are not covered by that amendment.

19 posted on 12/04/2007 11:49:37 AM PST by Jubal Harshaw
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To: yorkie
I was under the assumption that there was some debate regarding the interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

Only on the blogs.

20 posted on 12/04/2007 11:50:18 AM PST by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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