Posted on 12/02/2007 5:24:31 AM PST by Andy'smom
ROCHESTER, N.H. - In the hours before he allegedly took five people hostage at Hillary Clinton's campaign office Friday, Leeland Eisenberg sat drinking rum and cokes with his stepson in his trailer.
He drank heavily, and in a fog of frustration and delusion, said he could no longer afford his medication for bipolar disorder, his stepson, Benjamin Warren, said by phone last night. Unemployed, Eisenberg had no money to see a doctor; a local hospital turned him away when he went for help, Warren said.
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“So, we need “free” health care. QED.”
Of course, how could he afford his booze otherwise?
>>Stepson recalls a night of alcohol (but no $$ for meds)<<
You can get a bottle of rum for what, $10, but some prescriptions can be $100 plus. Even with good insurance I pay $300 a month for prescription copayments. One medicine I take for the brain tumor {feel free to insert joke here} would be $1200 a month by itself without insurance.
So there is not necessarily a contradiction between having $10 for one thing but not being able to afford prescriptions..
Of course a bipolar should be drinking like that and its no excuse for violence and a nanny state welfare approach won’t actually make things better but that is likely beyond the understanding of the reporter.
Anyways, if you from your youth study mathematics and classical piano, I’m sure there is physical change.
If you exist in the closed feeback loop of orthodox Bipolarism, you would also build a physical brain.
Anyways. Very shaky study. Very messy. Super small study group.
You are mistaking the diagnostic process with the scientific process. DSM IV diagnoses mental illness through subjective questioning and behavior analysis. There is not a scientific diagnostic test for the condition. That does not mean that there are not physcially identifiable symptoms of the condition. There are. It is unclear whether the mental illness is caused by the physical symptoms or vice versa, but they are clearly correlated.
The new University of Michigan result points to a clear difference in the density of monoamine-releasing cells in the brains of bipolar people even when they are not having symptoms.
There is a clearly provable genetic connection, with children of bipolar parents having a 25% chance of having the disorder also. Brain scan results show parts of the brain atrophy more quickly in bipolar patients, and brain activity is different. In mania and depression, intracellular sodium concentration increases during illness and returns to normal with recovery.
There is much they do not know about bipolar illness, but there is a clearly physical component, which can be scientifically tested and is valid in legal proceedings.
These findings are not used in diagnosis, because the pattern of behavior is very notable and consistent. Do you not believe that Alzheimers is real either? There isn’t a blood test for that.
Thank you for posting this. I know some one who this will help. I had no idea about this type thing. Again thank you.
Only if it is silverware that she took from the last time she lived there.
She will NOT be occupying the whitehouse again!
This guy is a victim of a horrible disorder, not of the US healthcare system. Hillarycare can do nothing to help him, beyond what is already being done. The writer of this article obviously understands little about what she writes about.
About 20 or so years ago a very good friend's brother showed up out of the blue at my apartment here in S.E. Michigan. He had driven the 280 miles from northern Michigan because he had an appointment with the French embassy in Detroit the following morning (a Saturday) and he wanted to know if he could spend the night at my place. I said sure.....
Unfortunately "Dave" suffers from schizophrenia and it was obvious he had stopped taking his meds. So I called his brother who came across town that evening and he spent the evening with us. The next day "Dave" left and I guess he just headed back home.......
Its a terrible cycle if these folks aren't closely monitored. Because like you say, when they stop their meds they revert back to their own world and to them you are the crazy one.
"Dave" didn't develop his schizophrenia until into his 30's. Vietnam vet, U of Michigan grad, married and was a successful executive recruiter with his own business. Of course he lost everything and the last I heard he was once bagging groceries up north until another long time friend who ran the housing commission up there hired him to do odd jobs and stuff......
Yep,
that’s what I see all the time.
What differentiates those that have the same behavior as that called bipolar, with those that don’t have bipolar.
Is in the end, bipolar just a label? A label for free will actors who choose, or are rewarded and or conditioned to act in such a way? What’s the difference?
Have you noticed that all behavior is become a disease state?
U of M. See my comments on the poor, shallow, inconclusive, and unrepeated and non blind NIMH test.
The “mental illness isn’t real” attitude is what makes someone sound like they’re not very bright.
It is a horrible disease as you say, another close friend of mine's son committed suicide as a result. What is really sad is that you know there is no logical explanation for his action because he had a good job, engaged to be married to a wonderful gal and had moved back with his parents to help with his savings.....No pressures, no nothing. Unfortunately, mental illness is prevalent in the family as his sister suffers from a similar disorder.
Drug-dependent? Not those who need it the most....no.
Like in all things, those that need the meds don’t think they need them and those that don’t need them abuse them.
Personally, I’d rather live in this time of society when it’s viewed as an meds are being used to treat this that is now viewed as an illness..... versus demon possession, where Bedlam was the same as Disney and snake pits were a way to ‘scare you sane.’
Meds help, they work for most and even some of the greatest doubters are converted when they see a miserable loved one regain some dignity and function in their lives.
That’s why I like working where I do (at least one of the places).
Substitute things like LG TV, XBox and new car for alcohol, and you’ve got your typical Democrat supporter. No sense of personal responsibility.”
Well- he had money for flares to simulate explosives......
Over the years we have lost a number of FReepers do to this disease. You can find them at the FreeRepublic Memorial Wall...........
I totally agree. The ones I’ve encountered are able to find ways to get their way, manipulate, etc, yet at the same time claim they’re unable to function in society. there may be some imbalance, but I don’t see how it absolves them of personal responsibility.
“What differentiates those that have the same behavior as that called bipolar, with those that don’t have bipolar.
Is in the end, bipolar just a label? A label for free will actors who choose, or are rewarded and or conditioned to act in such a way? What’s the difference?”
Just because symptoms occur in others with different mental illness does not diminish the point that they do not occur in the healthy population. You say there is not physical/scientific proof that this is real, but when it is provided to you, you only criticize the source.
You don’t want to see mental illness as a real problem. Bottom line is that you act superior to those with mental illness, because you feel they choose bad behaviors, and you don’t. If that is what it takes for you, then fine. There are many of us here at FR that know this is a real problem, because we seen it. You didn’t answer my question on alzheimers. Are all those old people just pretending that they don’t remember anything, or is it enjoyable for them to need someone else to dress them, feed them, and take care of them all day?
bingo.
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