Posted on 11/29/2007 7:08:30 AM PST by nuconvert
It's unusual at the very least.
What if he smokes. Try to find a place that sells cigarettes that doesn't sell lottery tickets.
Guess he can't buy gas either. Or find the lone gas station without a convenience store.
He signed the parole agreement. He decided to violate the terms of his parole.
I don't see why a scumbag ex-con deserves to be fed money from the government trough despite the fact that he broke the law yet again.
What other forms of welfare do you support?
You know I will tell you a secret...
Twist a man’s arm hard enough he will no longer comply but lash out even if you break it.
When the State thru it’s thieves tries to pull a stunt like this I am not fooled for a minute. I am surprised you are however.
Show me where others with similar restrictions have been sanctioned and I might believe their positions has some possible merit.
But both of us know better..
This is about jealousy and greed on the part of “public official” Poseurs.
Ravenous wolves who pretend to guard the flock.
Nothing more nothing less.
W
Ok, No sympathy for bank robbers....but....His defense could easily be, “It’s just my way of donating to the state parks fund.” or whatever the state claims it pays for.
That takes the cake for pomposity on this thread so far. Kudos.
When the State thru it’s thieves tries to pull a stunt like this I am not fooled for a minute. I am surprised you are however.
Firstly, the only thief here is a scumbag robber named Tim Elliott.
He had a decision to make: he could either serve his full term for the crime he committed or he could agree to abide by parole conditions and get out early.
He chose parole and he voluntarily agreed to abide by those parole conditions which explicitly stated that he was not permitted to enter lotteries.
And the state cannot even remotely be considered a thief here, since the lottery proceeds came from tickets the state sold to the public and not from tax receipts.
Show me where others with similar restrictions have been sanctioned and I might believe their positions has some possible merit.
People who violate their parole conditions are sanctioned every day. The real question is: why should a special exemption be made for this idiot? Why should he be some kind of magical golden boy who gets a free pass for violating the terms of his parole?
This is about jealousy and greed on the part of “public official” Poseurs.
No, this is about a low-down, dirtbag, degenerate gambler bankrobber who was generously given a parole that he did not merit and then spat on the agreement he voluntarily signed.
**** him.
I hope they take the money, sue him for the money he's already spent plus interest, and put his ass back in the can where he belongs.
~snorrfle!~ The resemblance wasn’t lost on me, either!
I’m with WA, put him back where he belongs!
First off WA is right in that I have did a bad job of making my case initially.
When speaking of twisting ones arm I was trying draw and analogy to the State’s constant encroachment upon the people until they reject the legitimacy of the State..simply by ignoring the law and or regulations. Which of course compromises the peoples position (by design). Those in power within the organs of the State know good and well the people do not follow the constrictions placed upon them. Those in power count on that in order to cherry pick those people and situations where they want to manifest their power and assert their position.
I don’t that there is anything “Pompous” in that.
This guy is not the issue.
I am not defending him as an individual.
I am trying to bring forth an understanding of what I think is really going on in the Justice system using this case as an example.
First off our elected officials have/are passing laws that criminalize nearly everything at a rate in some states of 3000 new laws in a Year (California a while back)
Those who supposedly represent us are arresting, trying and imprisoning more Americans than any other nation on earth including China and India with populations what? 10 Times our own?
The whole Justice system isn’t about Justice in the slightest.. it has devolved, today it is about money and power.
With 2 million of our citizens in Prisons and Millions more on Parole or Probation we have Millions more who are making their living in this Prison Economy.
Making room for New Prisoners allows all the societal parasites from Lawyers to Judges to Prisons to Profit because prisoners are their work product. When there were not enough they went out passed laws and made more.
Parole is not a “Favor” or a “Second Chance” it is a means to economically cycle more people in and out of the Prison Economy and thereby make more profit on the existing Prison Nation infrastructure.
How does that relate to this guy?.
Such terms of Parole are assinine irrelevant, designed to extend the State CON-trol nothing more.
If he is a legitimate threat to the society he belongs in prison in the first place. Of course that is not what is driving the decisions of those involved in the industry.
Restrictions such as “no purchasing of lottery tickets” have no real force or power to protect the people.
They are only mechanisms by which the State can on a arbitrary basis “Vacate the Parole of those whose actions come to their attention.
I have been watching civil asset forfeiture, the Law Enforcement Community and Prosecutors for many years. What I see sickens me.
They engage in the very same predatory conduct as the criminals we properly condemn. They lie before the Juries, perjure themselves.. Men have been sentenced to death in real cases on the basis of perjured testimony by Law Enforcement Officers/Prosecutors. Their release from prison coming 10 years later after the Death Bed Dying Declaration of a Detective involved in the case. After the two men were released not one Person From LEO to Prosecutors has ever been brought up on charges of perjury or obstruction of justice in the case.
That says it all in a nutshell.
Those in positions of authority misuse statutory law and are very good at seizing the assets of citizens. Citizens who for one reason or another have come to their attention. Even if they are unable to obtain a conviction for a criminal matter.
Where does the money go?
Into the very organizations who make the seizures.
To make things more sick the various agencies “divvy up” “get their cut” (in reality for not opposing another agencies seizures).
Thats the conduct of Mobsters not LEOs and Prosecutors.
Civil Asset Forfeiture and the winnings of this person are indeed at the heart of this case. Those in power see the opportunity to put this money in their organizations pockets. That is why this case so sickens me.
I said I would accept the State’s position as correct if they could show me any consistency in the sanction of people on parole/probation who have that constriction on their conduct and have been sanctioned for playing the lottery.
You cannot, because they have not. It is only when this guy won a substantial prize did the State take notice..
I am so stupid as to not apprehend the real meaning of that.
Jealousy, pettiness and greed on the part of those in positions of trust within the organs of the State are what is driving their actions against this guy.
Not a need for Justice or Equity
JEALOUSY, PETTINESS and GREED
Those are the HALLMARKS of third grade HALL Monitors.
Not persons properly entrusted with the power of the State.
I hope I did a better job of explaining my concerns this time.
W
“I am so stupid as to not apprehend the real meaning of that.”
I’m sorry, I do not understand...?
Sorry
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apprehend
2 a: to become aware of : perceive b: to anticipate especially with anxiety, dread, or fear3: to grasp with the understanding : recognize the meaning of.
One can understand something without concern
To apprehend is to both understand it and dread the implications...
I guess I could have said
I understand and dread the implications of his being called to task for the “violation” both with regards to the individual and the collective body of the people.
Greed jealousy, malevolent exploitation etc from public officials as official acts ostensibly in the performance of their duties.
W
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