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Go Negative, Fred!
Slate ^ | November 28, 2007 | John Dickerson

Posted on 11/28/2007 3:52:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

It was a bit rich to hear Fred Thompson complain last Sunday that Fox News wasn't treating him nicely. He has appeared several times on the network in favorable soft interviews. And Sean Hannity was so solicitous after one debate, I thought he was going to ask Thompson for a snuggle. But even if Thompson has no real reason to be peeved, his aides should keep it coming when Thompson joins his colleagues on the debate stage in Florida tonight. Irritation could be just the thing to revive a campaign that is floundering. Here's why:

He's got to do something: Thompson has been falling in the polls since he entered the race. Campaign aides like to summon the tortoise and hare parable, but in Thompson's case, the turtle is walking backward in South Carolina and Florida—the states that were supposed to be his strongest—in Iowa it's at best sleeping, and in New Hampshire it has died. A well-placed knock on Romney and Huckabee could begin to revive Thompson in Iowa, where conservatives might give him a second look. That would help him survive the pounding he's going to take in New Hampshire so that he can perhaps make it to competing in the early Southern states.

Anger shows he has a pulse: Thompson looks in command when he's angry, unlike on the stump, where he has received brutal reviews for his lackluster and listless campaign. With one or two moments of passion, Thompson can show that he's got the energy voters typically look for in candidates. The cliché about showing fire in the belly is overwrought but also true: Voters like to know that a candidate will fight to fulfill the promises he makes on the campaign trail.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: conservatives; election; electionpresident; elections; entitlements; fl2008; fredthompson; gop; ia2008; issues; johnmccain; mittromney; nh2008; republicans; rudygiuliani; sc2008
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1 posted on 11/28/2007 3:52:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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About time! I still think he is running a piss poor campaign. I keep getting rebutes of tha the only one talking about this and that, but talking into a vacuum does not mean anyone hears you! Fred needs to ta this run more seriously and do more of this! Make the others look like the wimps they are!


2 posted on 11/28/2007 3:54:21 PM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He needs to do something; his current strategy is losing him ground. Huckabee is filling a vacuume that Fred should have seized in Sept. or earlier.

I don't think "going negative" is the answer, but some fire and brimstone advocacy of his agenda wouldn't hurt. Like Ron Paul, only rational...

3 posted on 11/28/2007 3:58:42 PM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: Bommer; LexBaird; All
Senator Fred Thompson is the only candidate that gets it. He makes decisions based on principles. Principles don’t change. You have to stand for something and not change who you are based on the polls. That is what Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani have done and all of the Democrats do it. Give me a leader that will stand by his principles anyday versus someone that stands for everything.

I know many Republicans and conservatives that will stay home if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate. He does not represent our values as conservatives, and never will. Millionaire Mitt Romney is a Republican-in-name-only (RINO ) that simply has everything else and nothing to do. “I guess I’ll just try to buy the presidency”. The White House isn’t for sale! Conservatives will simply stay home and the Democrats will pick up additional seats in the House and probably get the 60 seats in the Senate they need to completely destroy our Country. Nice picture huh?

However, I think Fred can bring America back together, if that’s even possible. America needs a rebirth of patriotism and honor. Republicans also need a rebirth. President Reagan was our last rebirth and he can never be duplicated. Fred Thompson will bring his own down-to-earth common sense to this country. If a conservative runs as a conservative, he will win! Think of it this way: Eight years of another Clinton White House? Now if that is not a sufficient enough reason to pull together as a nation, and fight this socialist liberal takeover of our government, what is? Folks, we are in for the fight of our lives, just as our young men and women are fighting for our freedoms in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must fight for our nation right here and now! I truly believe Fred Thompson is the one man who can pull this nation back together! Rudy Giuliani will just tear us apart.

Fred on the Issues (from www.Fred08.com)

National Security
The first responsibility of government is to protect the American people, the homeland, and our way of life. Today we face the urgent threat of radical Islamic terrorists. Al Qaeda is committed to attacking us here at home, and wants to use weapons of mass destruction (WMD) to kill millions. We must never give them that opportunity. We must defeat the terrorists abroad, and that begins in Iraq and Afghanistan—the central fronts in this global war. We must show the world we have the will to fight and win. A weakened America - or an America that appears weaker - will only encourage further attacks. We must persevere. As Commander-in-Chief, the president must ensure the United States has the means to achieve victory. Presidential leadership requires talking to the American people about these stakes, mapping out a clear vision for success, and devising a comprehensive strategy for achieving it. I am committed to:
* A larger, more capable, and more modern military that can defeat terrorists, deter adversaries, and defend the U.S. and our interests.
* A missile defense system that can protect the U.S. and our allies from long-range ballistic missiles.
* An enhanced intelligence community, with robust human-intelligence capabilities, focused on terrorism and proliferation.
* A robust approach to homeland security that will protect our nation from terrorists and WMD, regardless of where they come from.
* A strengthened system of global alliances to better combat terrorists, proliferators, and traditional threats to our interests.
* A judicial system that deals with the realities of terrorists and unlawful enemy combatants.

Federal Budget and Spending/Budgetary Reform
In a few short years—not a generation from now—a fiscal tsunami that could imperil our security and economic prosperity will hit our nation and place an unfair burden of debt on our children and grandchildren. The tens of trillions of dollars in debt that will be accumulated over the next few decades will do immense harm to our economy. This burden is now estimated at $170,000 per person and $440,000 per family. Time is running out to address this looming crisis. We need market-based approaches to reform that guarantee benefits for those who need them and embrace personal responsibility and cost-effectiveness without raising taxes. Given the scope and urgency of this problem, and the burden it will place on our children, reform is not only an economic necessity, it is a moral imperative that requires action now. I am committed to:
* Opening the government’s fiscal books on this looming crisis for all to see and understand.
* Working with individuals of all political persuasions to develop a comprehensive solution to the pending fiscal crisis.
* Leading and making the hard choices necessary, to include cutting wasteful government spending, to safeguard our security, promote our prosperity, and protect our children and grandchildren from fiscal calamity.

Tax Reform
The U.S. tax code is broken and a burden on U.S. taxpayers and businesses, large and small. Today’s tax code is particularly hostile to savings and investment, and it shows. To make matters worse, its complexity is a drag on our productivity and economic growth. Moreover, taxpayers spend billions of dollars and untold hours each year filling out complicated tax returns, just so they can send more money to Washington, much of it for wasteful programs and the pet projects of special interests. We need lower taxes, and we need to let taxpayers keep more of their hard-earned dollars—they know best where and how to spend them. And we need to make the system simpler and fairer for all. To ensure America’s long term prosperity and economic security, I am committed to:
* Fundamental tax reform built on the principles of simplicity, fairness, and growth.
* A new tax code that gets the government out of our citizens’ pocketbooks, while enhancing U.S. competitiveness abroad.
Dissolution of the IRS as we know it.

Healthcare
Americans have the best healthcare in the world. Some, however, choose not be insured; others cannot afford it. Every American should be able to get health insurance coverage that is affordable, fully accessible, and portable. Coverage should meet their individual needs and put them in control. Those who propose a one-size-fits-all Washington-controlled program ignore the cost, inefficiency, and inadequate care that such a system offers. Access to affordable, portable health care can be made available for all Americans without imposing new mandates or raising taxes. Current government programs must also be streamlined and improved so that those who truly need help can get the health care they need. I am committed to a healthcare system that:
* Realigns programs and creates a system around individual consumers and patients by providing more information and more opportunities to choose affordable health care options that best meet their needs and those of their families.
* Improves the individual health of all Americans by shifting to a system that promotes cost-effective prevention, chronic-care management, and personal responsibility
* Modernizes delivery and administration of care by encouraging the widespread use of clinical best practices, medical information technology, and other innovations.
* Increases competition and consumer choice while streamlining regulations through free-market solutions that benefit individuals and reduce costs for employers.
* Promotes and speeds medical research and life-sciences innovation.

Government Effectiveness
Our government is outdated, inefficient, and wasteful. It is often unable to perform even the most basic tasks our citizens expect. It is no longer enough just to want limited government; the American people deserve more effective government. Given today’s challenges, we cannot afford—and shouldn’t accept—anything less than a nimble, effective, and efficient government that is able to focus its resources on the important issues facing our country. It must be able act on behalf of the American people and our national interests in a timely manner. The key to competent government is strong, committed leadership from the top. The key to good government is good people who are well-managed and put the national interest first. I am committed to:
* Attracting and rewarding the best Americans to serve in government and ensuring they have the authority and resources needed to get the job done.
* Fixing government accounting so tax dollars are properly spent and the American people know exactly what they are being spent on.
* Improving government performance by making agencies accountable for accomplishing their missions on time and within budget.
* Ensuring information technology systems are secure and that they give our government the capacity and effectiveness to get the job done.

Building Strong Families
Strong families are the bedrock of our nation and our culture. They are built around the sanctity of life and the institution of marriage, which is the union of a man and a woman. To counter coarseness in today’s culture that oftentimes victimizes our children and undermines the traditional values parents want to instill, we must not only protect but strengthen the institutions of family and marriage. I am committed to:
* Using the Presidency to encourage policies that promote a culture of life, strengthen the institution of marriage and traditional families, and advance freedom of religion.
* Returning authority to the levels of government closest to families and communities—the states—and then protecting states from further intrusion by the federal government, the judiciary, and other states.
* Combating the spread of obscenity over TV and other media by making sure parents can better exercise their responsibilities.

Immigration
The United States is a nation of immigrants. Throughout our history, legal immigrants have brought energy, ideas, strength, and diversity to our country, our economy, and our culture. This must continue. But in the post-9/11 world, immigration is more of a national security issue. A government that cannot secure its borders and determine who may enter and who may not, abrogates a fundamental responsibility. I am committed to:
* Securing our borders and enforcing immigration laws. Amnesty is not an option and the toleration of “sanctuary cities” must end.
* Reviewing our immigration laws and policies to ensure they advance our national interests. Uniting Americans by welcoming legal immigrants willing to learn English, assimilate into our communities, and become productive citizens.

Education
A well-educated citizenry is vital to our security, our economy, and our democracy. Despite the tens of billions of dollars spent on education by Washington each year, and the hundreds of federal education programs now in place, our children are still falling behind, particularly in subjects crucial to the global economy in which we live. At a time when America is behind other developed countries in education excellence, the federal role in education is too intrusive and too bureaucratic, and has become part of the problem. State and local governments are closest to the parents, the kids, and the schools, and best situated to implement changes and innovations that best educate children. I am committed to:
* Giving parents more choices in education and schools less bureaucracy.
* Reviewing federal programs for cost-effectiveness, reducing federal mandates, returning education money to the states, and empowering parents by promoting voucher programs, charter schools, and other innovations that enhance education excellence through competition and choice.
* Encouraging students and teachers to pursue careers in science, technology, engineering, and math—fields that are crucial to our security, competitiveness, and prosperity.
* Promoting transparency to assess performance, promote accountability, and share innovations in education at all levels.

Appointing Judges Faithful To Our Constitution
Activist judges across the country seem intent on legislating from the bench to promote a culture of abortion, redefine marriage, and undermine families—in effect re-shaping the values of our entire society without the consent of the people. We need judges who recognize their role in our democracy is to interpret, not make, the law. I am committed to:
* Appointing strict constructionist judges who will interpret the law, not impose their views on us by legislating from the bench.

Energy Security
The energy challenges our nation faces today are real and significant. Our dependence on foreign sources of oil threatens our national security and puts our economic prosperity at risk. America must rise to the challenge and take the steps necessary to become more energy independent before this becomes a crisis. No one solution will solve the energy challenges we face; all ideas must be on the table. Greater energy security will enhance our ability to pursue our foreign policy and national security objectives. Increasing our energy independence and investing in alternative energy sources will also produce a healthier environment. And while we don’t know for certain how or why climate change is occurring, it makes sense to take reasonable steps to reduce CO2 emissions without harming our economy. Overall, I am committed to:
* A balanced approach to energy security that increases domestic supplies, reduces demand for oil and gas, and promotes alternative fuels and other diverse energy sources.
* Investing in renewable and alternative fuels to promote greater energy independence and a cleaner environment.
* An energy policy that invests in the advanced technologies of tomorrow and places more emphasis on conservation and energy efficiency.
* Conducting research and development into technologies that improve the environment, especially the reduction of CO2 emissions.

Second Amendment
I strongly support the Second Amendment of the Constitution, which protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms. Gun control is touted as a major crime-control measure. But some of the places with the strictest gun-control laws also have high violent-crime rates. Disarming law-abiding citizens does not prevent crime. The answer to violent crime is smart, effective, and aggressive law enforcement. The real effect of these gun-control measures is to place onerous restrictions on law-abiding citizens who use firearms for such legal activities as self-defense, sport-shooting, hunting, and collecting. I am committed to:
* Strictly enforcing existing laws and severely punishing violent criminals.
* Protecting the rights individual Americans enjoy under the Second Amendment.


4 posted on 11/28/2007 4:05:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wher is Fred...In NH for the primary..latest poll has him at 2%...hell even Ron Paul has 8% there.


5 posted on 11/28/2007 4:09:33 PM PST by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: LexBaird

Which vacuum is that?


6 posted on 11/28/2007 4:11:26 PM PST by papasmurf (FRed Thompson...That's been your mantra, all along. You're just an anti-FRed gnat!)
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To: DeusExMachina05
"Where is Fred...In NH for the primary..latest poll has him at 2%...hell even Ron Paul has 8% there."

Did you have a point, or did you just want to regurgitate something from the drive-by media?

7 posted on 11/28/2007 4:12:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
People are just not paying attention to the details, only the sound-bites. Christmas is coming and people are busy trying to get ready. I think this entire situation will change very close to the caucus itself.

Remember...Dean was way ahead going into Iowa and New Hampshire, Kerry was 3rd or 4th. We are all very into politics and are following this very closely. Too closely sometimes. We know the problems with Huckabee and hope that those problems will come to a head. I expect Romney to open up both barrels on Huckabee soon. Rudy’s opening up on Romney. Hopefully they will take each other out and Fred will be the last one standing.

8 posted on 11/28/2007 4:16:01 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN "LAZY " GRANDMA FREEPER, and a LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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Have you seen this?

Red State Thompson Vs. Blue State Giuliani
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1931104/posts


9 posted on 11/28/2007 4:22:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: papasmurf
One of these days we are all going to learn how to spell "vacuum", hehedhehehe!

And on BTW - Regardless what 2nd DivVet posts, Fred is the only pubbie I've heard so far that has said Social Security should be "means tested".

Does anyone else on here know that means "I'm for higher taxes on people who earn higher incomes". Now, all Fred has to do is define "higher incomes" to be a democrat!" This was only two days ago!

Shows no candidate is perfect for all of us. And NO! I don't support Rooty, hehehehehehe!

I have my flame suit firmly on!

10 posted on 11/28/2007 4:23:04 PM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

Yes, who is John Dickerson and why should I listen to his bovine excrement?

11 posted on 11/28/2007 4:25:16 PM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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To: TexasRedeye

Howdy, neighbor!

I’m not for means testing, but Fred is much more conservative than RudyMcRombee, don’t you agree?


12 posted on 11/28/2007 4:29:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred is closest to my positions (on a weighted basis) and, frankly, to my personality. If I were retired with a young kid and Jeri, I might not be that CRAVING of the presidency. But maybe we need someone who doesn’t crave it so much.

Fred has some weak spots as a candidate, sure. If he can surmount them — and, to touch on the article, I’m far from sure that “going negative” the right way to help his campaign — then I am confident he’ll make a fine President.


13 posted on 11/28/2007 4:36:58 PM PST by pogo101
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; DeusExMachina05
DeusExMachina05: "Where is Fred...In NH for the primary..latest poll has him at 2%...hell even Ron Paul has 8% there."

2ndDivisionVet: "Did you have a point, or did you just want to regurgitate something from the drive-by media?"

Here's a point: Fred was riding at almost 20% in NH in mid-September. How did he come to lose 90% of his support in less than ten weeks?

Huckabee is killing Fred. Huckabee is also bleeding Romney. But America isn't about to elect as president a self-righteous, holier than ya'll, Southern Baptist preacher with a string of ethical failures that is only exceeded in length by his tax increases in the name of nanny government.

No, I'm afraid the dynamics right now are trending nicely toward Rudy the pro-gay baby killer as evangelicals come face-to-face with their deeply rooted religious prejudices and find they are unable or unwilling to transcend them.

14 posted on 11/28/2007 4:40:33 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
About two weeks ago I posted on FR that Fred needed to pick up the tempo if he wanted to get his message out better. Go over the heads of the media, just the way Reagan did. A few FredHeads got annoyed. I hope my Email to Fred at that time helped to open some eyes in his campaign.

Fred`s got the best policy agenda of all the GOP candidates. He’s the most viable and reliable conservative running. Yet Republicans are still backing Giuliani as the front runner and Rooty is loving every minute of it. The split among conservatives remains real. If this trend continues, Rooty`s got a real good chance of securing the nomination, back door style.

If conservatives don’t start backing the best alternative to Giuliani, we can kiss the 2008 election goodbye. And that alternative ain’t Romney either. Its Fred.

15 posted on 11/28/2007 4:44:54 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: papasmurf
Which vacuum is that?

The area left unfilled by Romney or Rudy. For whatever reason, Thompson's campaign hasn't been taking that territory, and now Huckabee seems to be gaining percentages at Thompson's expense.

16 posted on 11/28/2007 4:47:03 PM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred needs to hammer, hammer, hammer away at the truth about his opponents tonight and from here on out.


17 posted on 11/28/2007 4:47:23 PM PST by MitchellC (- www.fred08.com -)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THere’s a debate tonight?

Televised?

What time, channel?


18 posted on 11/28/2007 4:49:08 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: DeusExMachina05
hell even Ron Paul has 8% there.

Given NH's history, I'm surprised Ron Paul isn't polling at 28% there.

19 posted on 11/28/2007 4:51:25 PM PST by MitchellC (- www.fred08.com -)
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To: mamelukesabre

CNN/Youtube debate. I think it starts at 8 eastern time.


20 posted on 11/28/2007 4:51:55 PM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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