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Zogby Zinger: Hillary Aide Should Temper Criticism 'With a Little Bit of Truth'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 11/28/2007 8:41:37 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

"You sort of have to be a little careful. There's a whole campaign handbook of things that you say to dismiss polls. But you should mire them in a little bit of truth." -- John Zogby, responding to criticism by Mark Penn, chief Hillary Clinton strategist, of Zogby's online polling.

Mark Twain, famously warning against getting into a spat with newspapers, said "never pick a fight with someone who buys their ink by the barrel." To his chagrin, Mark Penn, Hillary Clinton's chief campaign strategist, is learning a modern corollary: never pick a fight with someone with three hours of national airtime. And for gosh sakes, don't use arguments in picking the fight so false as to be child's play to disprove.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; democratparty; elections; hillary; hillaryclinton; joescarborough; johnzogby; markpenn
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Miss Didi

Did anybody notice that Mark Penn (Her Thighness’s pollster/spinmeister) decided not to say where Clinton (every other candidate is referred to by their last name, why not Her Thighness?) was positioned in the poll but to say how flawed the polls were. Attack the pollster, in this case Zogby. Yeah that is the trick.

Personally, I love seeing polls like this but I don’t pay too much attention as this is like any internet poll. You can manipulate the numbers easily and the results don’t mean anything. The only real polls that start to mean something start on Jan. 3 in Iowa.


21 posted on 11/28/2007 10:12:11 AM PST by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel and Freerepublic Rocks!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The Hillary campaign expects the MSM and pollsters to stay in line. Usually, they stick to their talking points, but there’s hell to pay when they don’t.


22 posted on 11/28/2007 10:12:49 AM PST by Spok
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To: rod1

I’d like to think it’s FReepers, bloggers, talk radio like Rush, etc. picking up the ball and taking it to Clinton, Inc. that’s making a difference. It’s not the ‘good old days’ when they can keep their shenanigans swept under the rug although the MSM is still trying to carry their water. I don’t think Slick would have been elected if he’d had to operate in the current environment - hopefully, the Beast won’t be either.


23 posted on 11/28/2007 10:16:32 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Regarding Hillary (D-MoveOn.org): "It is easier to prevent than to remedy an evil." (GW-1798))
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To: MissMagnolia
I’d like to think it’s FReepers, bloggers, talk radio like Rush, etc. picking up the ball and taking it to Clinton, Inc. that’s making a difference.

Rush just pointed out that in the past the Drive-Bys would just marvel over Bubba...how he wowed the crowds, really connected with them. Look at today's story by Ron Fournier:



"Ladies and gentlemen," Clinton told 400 Iowans at the start of his three-city swing, "I have had a great couple of days out working for Hillary."

In the next 10 minutes, he used the word "I" a total of 94 times and mentioned "Hillary" just seven times in an address that was as much about his legacy as it was about his wife's candidacy.

He told the crowd where he bought coffee that morning and where he ate breakfast.

He detailed his Thanksgiving Day guest list, and menu.

He defended his record as president, rewriting history along the way.

And he explained why his endorsement of a certain senator from New York should matter to people.

"I know what it takes to be president," he said, "and because of the life I've led since I've left office."

I, me and my. Oh, my. (cont.)

ON DEADLINE: "Good Bill" vs "Bad Bill"
24 posted on 11/28/2007 10:24:58 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

I see the still has the much needed (now listen to me) finger for wagging at the peons while he lies to their faces.


25 posted on 11/28/2007 10:52:20 AM PST by rod1
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To: rod1
I see the still has the much needed (now listen to me) finger for wagging at the peons while he lies to their faces.

Bubba "it's all about me, me, me," with his pointed finger waving around and countless lies, will make every American ask--Do we really want four more years of this???
26 posted on 11/28/2007 11:12:02 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

That article is highly entertaining. What if Hillary were to win and had to play second fiddle to slick willy for four years? Talk about payback,that would be a b!tch!


27 posted on 11/28/2007 11:24:17 AM PST by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: linn37

Rush says the Drive-Bys are all buzzing over the sabotage factor.


28 posted on 11/28/2007 11:28:22 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: linn37
What if Hillary were to win and had to play second fiddle to slick willy for four years?

She'd probably take him for a "picnic" at Ft. Marcy park.

29 posted on 11/28/2007 11:30:28 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

He’d never go with her,she would have to set him up with some big booty brunette and lurk in the bushes.


30 posted on 11/28/2007 11:34:33 AM PST by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: Miss Didi

They think slick willy is trying to sabotage her campaign?


31 posted on 11/28/2007 11:35:37 AM PST by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: Miss Didi

I know this guy. Loving every minute of this. I bet Dick Morris is laughing his arse off too.


32 posted on 11/28/2007 11:37:09 AM PST by ShandaLear (Extremists always meet each other full circle.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Good. I’m no Zogby fan but finally somebody has the ‘nads to stand up to Her Thighness.


33 posted on 11/28/2007 11:37:44 AM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: linn37

That’s what Rush said...he thinks so, too. And so do I.


34 posted on 11/28/2007 11:43:20 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi
Bubba "it's all about me, me, me," with his pointed finger waving around and countless lies, will make every American ask--Do we really want four more years of this???

.I did not have sex with bin laden

35 posted on 11/28/2007 11:49:05 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: Trailerpark Badass; linn37

You are both on the right track! I still think ol’ Bubba is going to have a massive MI while he is in bed with some bimbette, and his Secret Service detail is going to have to do some fancy tap dancing to cover it up! If Her Heinous encourages him, it just might happen sooner rather then later, much to her delight! (Insert cackle here) I think she would enjoy playing the part of “The Widow Clinton”.


36 posted on 11/28/2007 12:01:02 PM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Another classic...


37 posted on 11/28/2007 12:17:37 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Polyxene
Thats a real vote getter for democrats.... the tragic widow scenario
38 posted on 11/28/2007 12:37:52 PM PST by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: linn37

I just hope ol’ Bubba hangs on until after the election! Can you imagine the mileage Her Heinous would get out of playing the bereaved widow? I can hear her now — “I just want to carry on the legacy (which one) of my beloved (cough) husband.”


39 posted on 11/28/2007 12:42:20 PM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: All
This video clip of Bubba in Iowa was on Yahoo with the Fournier article posted above (#14)--"I, I, I, me, me, me..."

Clinton draws crowds for wife, attention to self
40 posted on 11/28/2007 1:48:11 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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