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Mark Penn: Buckling Under the Pressure of an Unfavorable Poll
Zogby International ^ | November 27, 2007 | Fritz Wenzel,

Posted on 11/27/2007 6:12:35 PM PST by Aristotelian

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General election match-ups show the New York Senator would lose against every top Republican

UTICA, New York – A new Zogby Interactive survey shows Democrat Hillary Clinton of New York would lose to every one of the top five Republican presidential contenders, representing a reversal of fortune for the national Democratic front–runner who had led against all prospective GOP opponents earlier this year.

Meanwhile, fellow Democrats Barack Obama of Illinois and John Edwards of North Carolina would defeat or tie every one of the Republicans, this latest survey shows.

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Clinton 38% 45% 43%

McCain 42% 43% 47%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Clinton 40% 46% 43%

Giuliani 43% 41% 48%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Clinton 40% 48% 48%

Romney 43% 38% 40%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Clinton 39% N/A N/A

Huckabee 44% N/A N/A

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Clinton 40% 47% 48%

Thompson 44% 41% 41%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Obama 45% 45% 46%

McCain 38% 42% 43%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Obama 46% 46% 48%

Giuliani 41% 42% 42%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Obama 46% 49% 52%

Romney 40% 35% 35%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Obama 46% N/A N/A

Huckabee 40% N/A N/A

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Obama 47% 48% 52%

Thompson 40% 40% 35%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Edwards 42% 43% 41%

McCain 42% 43% 46%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Edwards 44% 43% 43%

Giuliani 43% 46% 47%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Edwards 44% 47% 50%

Romney 42% 38% 36%

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Edwards 43% N/A N/A

Huckabee 42% N/A N/A

11/26/2007 7/14/2007 5/17/2007

Edwards 45% 46% 48%

Thompson 42% 40% 40%

Figures from the earlier surveys cited in this news release are from Zogby International telephone surveys, including 1,012 likely voters in the July survey and 993 likely voters in the May survey.

The online survey included 9,150 likely voters nationwide, and was conducted Nov. 21–26, 2007. It carries a margin of error of +/– 1.0 percentage points.

(11/26/2007)

1 posted on 11/27/2007 6:12:36 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Aristotelian

democrats lie

he got caught

what else is new.


2 posted on 11/27/2007 6:14:51 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Aristotelian

On Drudge.


3 posted on 11/27/2007 6:16:34 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Aristotelian
The more Hillery is exposed to the public the more the public trys to pull it hair out.
4 posted on 11/27/2007 6:17:19 PM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: Aristotelian

This is certainly odd.

Zogby has always leaned toward the Democrats, and their bias got worse after 9/11 because they also lean Muslim.

If there was ever a friend of the Muslims, it is hillary. Osama Obama is/was a Muslim, but claims to have converted to Christianity, which would not endear him to any real Muslim.

So why would Zogby cook the books against hillary? I can’t figure out any reason for it.


5 posted on 11/27/2007 6:18:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: edcoil
I happened to see that interview on Joe Scarborough this morning. They made much of the polling being interactive, saying it was Zogby’s first interactive poll and noting how interactive polls are notoriously unreliable. None of that turns out to be true, according to Zogby.

More important, it reveals the poor quality of TV journalism. Had any good reporter heard those claims, his first response would be: Prove it. Not so on TV. That let’s these political hacks get away with murder.

6 posted on 11/27/2007 6:21:40 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Cicero

Because Obama is a muslim.


7 posted on 11/27/2007 6:34:10 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: Aristotelian

The Clintons destroy anyone or anything that disagrees with them. Even pollsters.


8 posted on 11/27/2007 6:34:14 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (Thinking of new tagline)
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To: Aristotelian

If Hillary’s people couldn’t lie, they’d literally have nothing to say.


9 posted on 11/27/2007 6:38:06 PM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Aristotelian

A lie goes round the world before the truth puts its shoes on.


10 posted on 11/27/2007 6:41:55 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: jrooney

But H! has co-president Huma on her side.


11 posted on 11/27/2007 6:42:40 PM PST by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
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To: Aristotelian

Hillary must lose. Please GOP, don’t nominate Huckabee.


12 posted on 11/27/2007 7:10:38 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Cicero

Zogby was the man and company behind the 2004 exit polling that turned out terribly incorrect, he has since tightened up his methods or he would lose credibilty that is so crucial to any public polling company.

Zogby also had the earlier poll that showed both Hillary and Obama with incredibly high “I would never vote for” numbers.

Obama was at 33% Hilde was at 40+%.

So maybe he is fishing around for some “R” business this campaign by playing straight?


13 posted on 11/27/2007 7:10:38 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Aristotelian
What is interesting is that no other campaign has made as many requests for Zogby polling data over the years than Penn has made on behalf of Clinton.

LOL. Typical Clinton.

14 posted on 11/27/2007 8:01:53 PM PST by keepitreal
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Meanwhile, fellow Democrats Barack Obama of Illinois and John Edwards of North Carolina would defeat or tie every one of the Republicans, this latest survey shows.

*snort* Yuh, right!

15 posted on 11/27/2007 8:17:28 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Aristotelian
Hillary is facing huge problems:

1. Her deficits are in the area of public perception of her as not being a truthful person, running for purely personal power, etc. One cannot easily change those (very accurate) perceptions with advertising.

2. This data leads to an obvious next comment by Obama and Edwards supporters; “Why give money or support to Hillary. Who cares if she wins the primaries. She cannot win the General.”

3. The big question at a very important meeting in DC tonight; “What more does Hillary have. She has run primarily on the one fact that she is “The Incredible Hillary”... and that act has gotten very old... and thread bare.” Many wonder if “The Incredible Hillary” is really “The Incredible Shrinking Hillary.”

4. The Conventional Wisdom has always (quietly) been that the Hildabeast started way too early; that she is at best yesterday’s news. Is she Scoop Jackson and Ed Muskie all over again?

5. Hillary has another huge problem. No Dem will campaign against her using the tremendously powerful negatives that Republicans could use against her in the General. Obama and Edwards can’t say “Do you really want the shame of another Clinton in the White House?” “Do you really want our campaigns to be paid for by the Chinese Communists AGAIN?”

Or how about my personal favorite “Our next president will have to be very tough to stand up to the Radical Muslims who want to kill every American. The only time Hillary “stood up” regarding radical Muslims was the time she stood up to hug and kiss Mrs. Yassar Arafat!”

She may in the political death spiral.

16 posted on 11/27/2007 8:47:58 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: padre35

ttt


17 posted on 11/27/2007 8:54:05 PM PST by linuxster
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To: edcoil

That was a haiku!


18 posted on 11/27/2007 9:02:33 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Aristotelian

When you enemy chooses to deceive himself, this can only help you.


19 posted on 11/28/2007 2:15:25 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: sinanju

Don’ you be startin’
Haiku dozens on FR.
This way lies madness.


20 posted on 11/28/2007 2:17:41 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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