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Climate forecast bleak as world heads for pivotal Bali meeting
azdailysun.com ^ | November 27, 2007 | A.P.

Posted on 11/27/2007 2:40:45 PM PST by Graybeard58

NEW YORK (AP) -- The latest news from the climate front isn't good.

The Arctic ice cap melted this summer to the greatest extent on record. Scientists say oceans are losing some ability to absorb atmospheric carbon dioxide, the chief industrial emission blamed for warming. And the world's power plants, factories, automobiles and jetliners are spewing carbon at a faster rate than anticipated.

The world's nations convene in Indonesia next week at a conference pivotal for drawing rich and poor, northern and southern nations together. The goal is to save the climate that has nurtured man for millennia and head off a scientific forecast of super-hurricanes, collapsing ice sheets and drowning coastlines.

Behind closed doors on the resort island of Bali, that turbulent future will be the backdrop to sessions in which negotiators will tinker with and test language and nuance. Some words -- "commitments," "binding," "voluntary" -- could set off storms of argument by the end of the Dec. 3-14 conference.

Returning last month from an unprecedented trip to a fast-warming corner of icy Antarctica, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon took note of the troubling new data.

"I believe we are on the verge of a catastrophe if we do not act," he said on Nov. 16.

The next day, in Spain, a Nobel Prize-winning U.N. network of scientists issued a capstone report after six years' study, saying carbon and other heat-trapping "greenhouse gas" emissions must stabilize by 2015 and then decline.

Without action, they said, temperatures will rise by degrees and a changing climate will change the world -- via drought, severe weather, rising seas, dying species and other consequences.

The bad news is being heard in Washington, where the Bush administration was once slow to accept the climate science.

"We seek a 'Bali road map' that will advance negotiations under the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change," Undersecretary of State Paula J. Dobriansky assured a Senate committee this month.

But the Bush administration shows no sign of reversing its opposition to emissions reductions mandated by international treaty. Dobriansky spoke of "each country designing its own mix" of measures, a policy critics liken to urging "voluntary" speed limits on highways.

Optimists hope the Bali meeting will inaugurate a two-year process of intensified negotiations on a deal to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

That 175-nation accord, a 1997 annex to the 1992 U.N. climate treaty, requires 36 industrial nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by an average 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2010.

The United States and Australia were the only major industrial nations to reject Kyoto, and as a result U.S. greenhouse emissions will grow 33 percent between 1990 and 2010 and Australia's by 11 percent, the United Nations reported last week.

President Bush complains that Kyoto's relatively modest cutbacks would damage the U.S. economy, and that quotas should have been imposed on such poor but fast-developing countries as China and India. This time around at Bali, however, the Americans will stand alone. Kevin Rudd, leader of the victorious Labor Party in Saturday's Australian elections, has pledged to ratify the Kyoto pact.

This year or next, China will replace the United States as the world's leading carbon emitter. But Beijing says it won't be ready -- not "for a large period of time," as its vice foreign minister says -- to take on economy-wide emissions caps that slow efforts to lift hundreds of millions out of poverty.

The Chinese point out that the U.S. and other rich nations are historically to blame for the carbon-laden atmosphere, and China's per-capita emissions are just one-sixth the size of America's.

At best, analysts believe, Bali could lead to a two-year negotiation in which the United States under a new administration, the Europeans, Japan and other industrial nations commit to deepening blanket emissions cuts, while major developing countries agree to enshrine some national policies -- China's auto emission standards, for example, or energy-efficiency targets for power plants -- as international obligations.

"How do you include them in the process -- China and India -- keeping in mind they have to develop? It's a question of finding the balance," said Grenada's Leon Charles, who has chaired recent U.N. discussions on a post-Kyoto regime.

Another U.N. discussion leader, South Africa's Sandea de Wet, said: "We know the developing countries -- the bigger ones at least -- will have to do something." But she doubted any negotiating mandate emerging from Bali would explicitly "commit" China, Brazil, her country and others to action. That would have to come in later talks.

The Bali balancing act, among almost 200 nations, will be further complicated by other issues: compensating tropical nations for scaling back deforestation, the source of 20 percent of global carbon emissions; financing an Adaptation Fund to help poor nations cope with climate change's ravages, and clearing obstacles to getting advanced energy technology into the developing world's hands.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: climatechange; dobriansky; globalwarming; kyoto; un
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Gloom, despair and agony on me, deep, dark depression, excessive misery.

Utter morons.

1 posted on 11/27/2007 2:40:46 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: xcamel

Ping.


2 posted on 11/27/2007 2:41:12 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Why cant they just teleconference, why meet in such an exotic locations? :_)


3 posted on 11/27/2007 2:42:51 PM PST by Bruinator
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Climate forecast bleak as world heads for pivotal Bali meeting

Of course it's bleak. These fools wouldn't have it any other way.

4 posted on 11/27/2007 2:43:03 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Graybeard58

socialist bozos can all go to h—l


5 posted on 11/27/2007 2:43:38 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: Graybeard58
The bottom line:

If the U.N. is for it; I'm opposed to it.

The U.N. is merely going to put a contribuiton level on the U.S. consumers and taxpayers to the tune of Billions of Dollars....to facilitate the "cap and trade" aspirations and money-making of corporate giants.

Follow the money on this one, too, folks....

6 posted on 11/27/2007 2:44:02 PM PST by traditional1
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To: Graybeard58; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

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Ping me if you find one I've missed.


Doomed, again.
7 posted on 11/27/2007 2:44:40 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Graybeard58

So bleak they must all meet in Bali.


8 posted on 11/27/2007 2:44:48 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: Graybeard58
"I believe we are on the verge of a catastrophe if we do not act,"

What a load.

9 posted on 11/27/2007 2:45:54 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Bruinator
Why cant they just teleconference, why meet in such an exotic locations? :_)

It's winter in the Northern Hemisphere. They always use a huge carbon footprint to go where it's warm. Plus the woymen are in summer garb.

10 posted on 11/27/2007 2:46:00 PM PST by CPOSharky (Energy plan: Build refineries and nuke plants, drill for our oil, mine our coal.)
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“NEW YORK (AP) — The latest news from the climate front isn’t good.”

D-mn this global warming and all the pain and suffering it causes
The Environmentalist Elites.
Staying up day and night worrying about global warming...
and then not able to get a parking place for their private jets
once they labor through a long flight to Bali.

What a bunch of selfless heroes!
(/SARC!!!!!)

Not Enough Parking for Private Jets Going to UN Climate Conference [seriously]
Newsbusters ^ | Nov 23 2007 | Noel Sheppard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929778/posts


11 posted on 11/27/2007 2:46:02 PM PST by VOA
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To: All

A rat in the white house and a rat congress would assure that our government would buy into the man made global warming B.S. at extreme costs to the tax payers. The tax takers don’t give a rats ass anyway, they don’t have to pay for it.

I fear for my children and grand children’s future, not from man made global warming but from the liberals who want to control their lives.


12 posted on 11/27/2007 2:46:11 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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The Third World will not accept binding targets or emissions caps. What's spewed in Bali is a lot of hot air.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 11/27/2007 2:46:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Graybeard58
Saw a dvd in the cut out rack today, from 1976, called “Deadly Harvest” with Clint (Cheyenne Bodie) Walker, about the catastrophe of global cooling. Too funny. Just shows how far up their A$$ these experts have their heads form generation unto generation. Morons, indeed.
14 posted on 11/27/2007 2:48:33 PM PST by isrul
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To: Bruinator
It allows the purveyors of nonsense to fly in via corporate jet.
15 posted on 11/27/2007 2:49:52 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Graybeard58

You know, the anthropogenic global warming hoax, on its own, is unrivaled fear-mongering and ignorance. Yet it pales in comparison to the utter stupidity and arrogance in thinking they could change it, if it were true.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 2:54:05 PM PST by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter, the real deal, the only deal for Conservative Americans)
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To: Graybeard58

The goal is to save the climate that has nurtured man for millennia


Impossible. That climate has morphed more times than Kerrys political postions.


17 posted on 11/27/2007 2:55:37 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: Graybeard58
Save us Al Gore!!

We're all gunna die!

18 posted on 11/27/2007 2:57:48 PM PST by corkoman
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To: Enchante
socialist bozos can all go to h—l

No, they are going to Bali instead. LOL

19 posted on 11/27/2007 2:58:05 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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“We seek a ‘Bali road map’ Undersecretary of State Paula J. Dobriansky assured a Senate committee this month.

Can’t they just borrow the one Bing and Bob used?

Having to leave Melbourne in a hurry to avoid various marriage proposals, two song-and-dance men sign on for work as divers. This takes them to an idyllic island on the way to Bali where they vie with each other for the favours of Princess Lala. The hazardous dive produces a chest of priceless jewels which arouses the less romantic interest of some shady locals.


20 posted on 11/27/2007 3:03:34 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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