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'No-Fault' = No Kids
Townhall ^ | 11/25/2007 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 11/26/2007 10:26:35 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: 3niner

What if they’re raped by Daddy? Or beaten?

Or, what if Mommy becomes a drunk to deal with her horrible marriage?


61 posted on 11/26/2007 11:26:24 AM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: LWalk18

How is that better than a divorce? Your grandmother was abandoned and was not free to not marry a more responsible man.


62 posted on 11/26/2007 11:26:54 AM PST by FMFreeper
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To: HairOfTheDog

I’m glad you don’t plan on doing it.

And I’m sure Mrs Dog won’t either.

But the point is.... she can. NFD allows her to leave you, move in with a new boyfriend, take the kids, keep you from legal visitation and all the while get the State to force you to pay child support.

Happens every day.


63 posted on 11/26/2007 11:28:32 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: 3niner
That does not always happen.

I saw first hand what parents staying together for the kids did to someone. The fights were horrendous and legendary. The kids from this 2 parent home (house of horrors, more like it) from seeing the parents fight, and hearing how the parents were trapped because of them made one commit suicide at 14, one is a drug-addicted, prostitute somewhere in NYC (maybe dead now), the other in a mental institution. You will not change my mind about this.

64 posted on 11/26/2007 11:28:55 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
My husband and I lived together for 6 years before we got married. NO KIDS>>>>FREERIDERS FOR LIFE!!!!!

ROFL!!!! My husband and I were together for 9 years and lived together almost 7 before we got married ........we did have a child 18 months later, though :)

65 posted on 11/26/2007 11:29:27 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

We do not want children. But, you know after living together we knew we could put up with each others crap...


66 posted on 11/26/2007 11:31:06 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; HairOfTheDog

Uh,
yer talkin’ to the Missus Dawg :)


67 posted on 11/26/2007 11:31:16 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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To: Responsibility2nd

Oh goody!
Another “Men hate women” thread! How novel!

Damn, and my friends wonder WHY any sane woman would want to associate with this tripe.


68 posted on 11/26/2007 11:33:59 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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To: Gabz
Concern for the children is foremost in my mind. Why should the children be subjected to more crapola that arises when abuse or adultery are the reason for the divorce. Do you think dragging those children into a courtroom to provide witness/testimony against one or the other parent is a good thing for them?

Children are better off if their parents remain married. This is true educationally, physically, materially, and in many other ways.

NFD is bad for the kids. If parents know that their "dirty laundry" will harm their kids in the home, then why will they care if it harms them in a court of law?

69 posted on 11/26/2007 11:34:06 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Gabz

I think what it comes down to for me is, for all the lofty goals of those who would make divorce harder, they will not improve the marriages they ‘save’, they will only make those divorces worse.

The ‘shame-of-divorce’ cat is out of the bag. People no longer see it as noble to stay in bad marriages, or even to stay in marriages that bore them. We can wish it were otherwise, but it isn’t. And anyone who has ever tried to get a cat back in a bag it doesn’t want to go in, knows, it’s easier said than done.

People do still have the right to choose carefully who they marry and how they themselves behave in such marriage. That’s the only control we have a right to have. Other people’s marriages are not my business, no matter how lofty my societal goal.

And for all the men who complain about the high cost of child support, and it is high, I feel for them, I see few who would actually trade roles with their ex wives. There are some, I know them. But most would rather pay the money than actually have to get the kids up and off to school before work every morning by themselves, or tote them around through all the errands of daily life. No... most love to complain about how good their ex has it, but they wouldn’t trade places for the world.


70 posted on 11/26/2007 11:35:11 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: FMFreeper
How is that better than a divorce? Your grandmother was abandoned and was not free to not marry a more responsible man.

It was my great-grandfather who abandoned my great-grandmother and their children, including my grandmother. My point is the same as yours- the fact that my great grandmother held out hope that her husband would return and therefore, did not get a divorce, and my grandfather, as the faulting party could not get a divorce, did not protect my grandmother from the consequences on not having her father around.

71 posted on 11/26/2007 11:35:57 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: 3niner

I know just as many females who were raped/molested by someone (including Daddy) while Mommy and Daddy stayed together and pretended it didn’t happen.

It’s just as sick and twisted as the ‘boyfriend’ crap too.


72 posted on 11/26/2007 11:36:16 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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To: najida
Uh, yer talkin’ to the Missus Dawg :)

Shhh. I'm sure my opinion now means nothing to him ;~)

73 posted on 11/26/2007 11:36:49 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Campion

Exactly, we call it Darwinism in reverse.

Right now the only people pro-creating are muzzies and the part of society that is a drag on the rest ( uneducated morons ). The end result as soon as one of these factions outnumbers the rest is the same.


74 posted on 11/26/2007 11:36:55 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Responsibility2nd
Radical homosexual activists have been bold in their attempt to redefine the basic make-up of the family by assaulting the God ordained institution of marriage with whatever creative sexual union could be devised. Yet the damage they've inflicted upon children to date is miniscule compared to the arrogance, selfishness, and defiance that the plaintiffs of "no-fault" divorce have unleashed upon child after child.

Whether or not this fellow has a legitimate point, I don't care to find out: I stopped reading right there. It's clear from this non-sequitur that he's more interested in racheting up an emotional response.

75 posted on 11/26/2007 11:37:34 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Responsibility2nd

I can understand what you’re saying,
but like my earlier posts....

Some kids are way better off if Mommy and Daddy divorce. Sometimes hell is simply hell and the child needs to be removed from it.....


76 posted on 11/26/2007 11:37:56 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Come’on and take a free ride. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


77 posted on 11/26/2007 11:39:10 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: HairOfTheDog; najida

Quite the contrary. You have my blessings to use NFD to your full advantage.

I would expect no less from you.


78 posted on 11/26/2007 11:39:34 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: najida

You are right...see post 60.


79 posted on 11/26/2007 11:40:32 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

“Get back in the kitchun wooman un fix mah supper! Den hab dat baby, and a nuther, and doncha dare talk back!”

Hrmpt.....

Yep, these’ll be the same idjits whinin’ about women votin’ for liberals (maybe because they at least pretend they like us ;) )


80 posted on 11/26/2007 11:41:01 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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