A Mormon president? New film shows links between Smith, Romney

Deseret Morning News ^ | Nov. 24, 2007 | Carrie A. Moore

[fallingwater]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695230114,00.html

[CommerceComet]

I could vote for somebody who was BORN INTO Mormanism fairly easily; I couldn’t vote for somebody who converted to it.

Not that I'm equating the two but what about someone born into Islam? Isn't this an issue of where you draw the line between an acceptable or unacceptable religion? I think that the reason that Romney's campaign is ultimately doomed is that enough evangelicals will put him on the unacceptable side of the line.

[gitmo]

Again I could vote for Romney easily enough, but not for somebody who CONVERTED to the LDS church; I'd want a president to be a tad more discerning than that.

I don't understand that logic. Shouldn't a man be responsible for examining his core beliefs, particularly if he is planning on leading the most powerful nation on the planet?

[Old Mountain man]

This is the same old crap you guys keep claiming is “proof”. Where is your copy of the actual judgment? Where is your copy of the actual court records?

So what is the import of some justice of the peace calling names on Joseph Smith?

Big deal. I think John Wesley was out of his mind. The only right thing Roger Williams ever did was quit preaching when he finally figured out that he didn’t have the authority. The best thing I ever did was leave the pitifully racist Southern Baptist Church!

[Osage Orange]

You are supporting Fred Thompson?

Really?

No lie?

[Osage Orange]

The best thing I ever did was leave the pitifully racist Southern Baptist Church!

You have got to be kidding me????

And you joined a church that until the 70's was extremely racist???? And in many sections of the country continues to be so.....????

[Calpernia]

::laughing::

Those darn facts get in the way of good propaganda :P

[Calpernia]

A few more pesky tidbits:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930527/posts?page=14#14

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930527/posts?page=15#15

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930527/posts?page=18#18

[RobbyS]

Romney NEEDS to do what Kennnedy did. Behind the Kennedy speech was Anglo-American hostility to the Church of Rome dating back to the Spanish Armada. He must face the fact that many Americans are deeply suspicious of his faith. The question is: How will he define his relationship to the leadership of his Church? Kennedy might have pointed to hundreds of years of tension between religious and secular authority in Catholic societies,, for instance, of the plain disrespect with which the Emperor Franz Joseph treated the popes, who he thought no more than his chaplains. (not that Kennedy, a bad Catholic and no scholar,even knew such things). Romney must declare that his policy decisions will not be dictated by the Church. I have the feeling that the Church would ratify any such statement.

[Colofornian]

You would reject a candidate for dogma?

Well "dogma" is a broad term. Some folks' "dogma" is that the pre-born folks are not folks. Yet you take that into consideration...

I wrote “values”, like being pro-life, anti queer rights, pro religious expression, pro family, pro marriage. If I had to reject any candidate that does not agree with me on dogma then I would be limited to an Orthodox Catholic candidate.

Down-the-line "dogma" as my filter? (No)

So any of the candidates could come up to you and say: "Art, my great-great-great uncle said thus: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"...and it wouldn't bother you? (BTW, this quote is from Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255...Pratt is thus related to Romney).

Any of the candidates could adhere membership to any fraternal or religious organization that openly labeled you and your faith beliefs as "apostate" and call you & other professors "corrupt" and creedally an "abomination before the Lord" and you would be fully inspired to vote for them, eh? (See LDS "scripture," adhered to by true believing Mormons, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, vv, 18-19).

[Old Mountain man]

Certainly. As a child. What is your excuse?

[greyfoxx39]

LOL, Those ARE pesky!

[gitmo]

Romney must declare that his policy decisions will not be dictated by the Church. I have the feeling that the Church would ratify any such statement.

I haven't heard anyone say that such a fear was the root of their problems with Mr. Romney.

[RobbyS]

Maybe you have not heard it, because the concern is obvious. Mormonism is a very peculiar religion, regarded by many evangelicals as a cult. Further, the leadership has much more power in the Mormon Church than the pope has in the Catholic Church.

[greyfoxx39]

Romney must declare that his policy decisions will not be dictated by the Church. I have the feeling that the Church would ratify any such statement.

Oh, the Church probably would, however how do they all get around this sticky little fact: Every worthy mormon man, meaning Romney, (former bishop and stake president), who takes part in the mormon temple ritual necessary for his salvation, takes this vow:

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

http://www.alainsnewsletter.com/s/spip.php?article325

How does Mitt GUARANTEE that his oath of office would supercede his oath to the church?

[higgmeister]

Please name one denomination of Christianity that doesn't have some things done in its name that were a little off??

Methodism?

[RobbyS]

Well, unless he can manage to elect a Mormon Congress. I can think of many guarantees. As for as his oath is concerned, my allegiance to Jesus Christ superceded my allegiance to the United States. If, however, he thinks that an action of he United States might harm the United States, or vice-versa, he ought in all conscience be willing to resign.

[RobbyS]

Right now the Methodist Church is moving toward recognition of gay marriage.

[Sola Veritas]

“What Mormons call theology is vanishingly close to what most people call science fiction.”

Indeed, if one will take the time to dig into what they “really” believe and teach. In many ways Mormonism makes Tom Cruise almost look sane.

The truth of the matter is that Joseph Smith was the David Koresh of the 19th Century, and something of a con artist like L. Ron Hubbard. The “Family Friendly” exterior is very deceitful. Mormonism is chocolate covered poison.

[DelphiUser]

You are supporting Fred Thompson?

Yes.

Really?

Yes.

No lie?

Yes.

I see a pattern...

Go see what Fred has been up to... Oh and give him money, Grin

[DelphiUser]

Romney must declare that his policy decisions will not be dictated by the Church. I have the feeling that the Church would ratify any such statement.

Oh, the Church probably would, however how do they all get around this sticky little fact: Every worthy Mormon man, meaning Romney, (former bishop and stake president), who takes part in the Mormon temple ritual necessary for his salvation, takes this vow:

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

http://www.alainsnewsletter.com/s/spip.php?article325

How does Mitt GUARANTEE that his oath of office would supersede his oath to the church?

Simple, it would not. No man should be required to give up his faith in Jesus Christ in order to serve his country. You seem to forget that Mormons believe the Constitution to be an inspired document. Mitt would do his level best to uphold the constitution because of that fact.

Tell us greyfoxx39, if I vote for you for president, will your oath of office supersede the covenants you have made with Jesus?

I think anyone who wants someone to place God over country has the wrong Idea for America, do you know how many of the Founding fathers made very similar covenants? (Hint, how many were masons?)

I am so glad you asked this for it shows your mindset.

Just for the record, IMHO nothing in the oath you quoted would make a man a bad president, but it might just make him a better man.