A Mormon president? New film shows links between Smith, Romney

Deseret Morning News ^ | Nov. 24, 2007 | Carrie A. Moore

[fallingwater]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695230114,00.html

[FastCoyote]

FC:they still shun and cull apostates and Gentiles.
BB:No they don’t.

Well, why don’t you ask my boss, the apostate, who has been shunned. Or the divorced lady I dated who was driven out. Or why don’t you Google “scholars” and “excommunicated” and see how many hits you get. I’ve got a ton more testimonies from people who put your words false. In fact, I’ve been shunned a couple times (yes imagine that with my pleasant disposition! ). Actually it was for pointing out nepotism in a government job, and a few other times as well now that I think of it. As a Gentile, you don’t know what hit you, why you are getting the silent treatment or threats until you know the history and look back at what happened.

[broncobilly]

So, you are claiming we are racists as well? The racial question had been well settled politically by 1978 and by most denominations well before that. The Mormons only made the change because they were forced to.

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You and Colorcountry are making the accusations, not me.

And the Mormons didn’t do it because they were forced to. They did it because they wanted to. And it was universally welcomed by the church members.

[MHGinTN]

I’ll ask one more time: does one have to have Mormon baptism to enter into God’s presence? Is Mormon baptism still a Temple Ordinance?

[DelphiUser]

I’ll ask one more time: does one have to have Mormon baptism to enter into God’s presence? Is Mormon baptism still a Temple Ordinance?

You have to have Baptism by Proper authority, which we have, but there are other time periods when the authority existed on the face of the earth, baptisms in the Book of Mormon, John the Baptist, etc.

BTW, nice to see you again.

[MHGinTN]

Never mind, billy, someone else has chosen to do the obfuscating for you.

[Calpernia]

?????

[colorcountry]

They never can come out and state it plainly can they?

Celestial glory is dependant upon baptism by one with proper authority (LDS priesthood), So if you are alive right now, then you must be baptized LDS, or have someone baptize you by proxy after you die. Why can’t they just answer the question? Yes or No?

I’ll hold my breath until one of them answers in a clear, unmistakeable yes or no.

[DelphiUser]

FC:they still shun and cull apostates and Gentiles.
BB:No they don’t.

Well, why don’t you ask my boss, the apostate, who has been shunned.

The LDS church does not "Shunn", we try to fellow ship those who have left back in, often, much to their annoyance, you can't have it both ways...

Or the divorced lady I dated who was driven out.

I have home taught many "Divorced women" in the church, they are not "Driven out" for being divorced, my bet is you know little more of her story than I do of yours here.

Or why don’t you Google “scholars” and “excommunicated” and see how many hits you get.

OK, 163,000 But I don't see that as relevant, now +Scholars +Excommunicated +LDS 13,800 How about 68,900 And for Good measure +Scholars +Excommunicated +Catholic 110,000 WOW! By your standards (google hit counts) the LDS church is the most forgiving church out there.

I’ve got a ton more testimonies from people who put your words false.

Yeah, there were people who testified against Jesus too. (Not implying anything you understand, I'm just Sayin'...

In fact, I’ve been shunned a couple times (yes imagine that with my pleasant disposition! ). Actually it was for pointing out nepotism in a government job, and a few other times as well now that I think of it.

LOL! so, the Church shunned you for your dealings with the Government? (George, we need more tin foil over here.

As a Gentile, you don’t know what hit you, why you are getting the silent treatment or threats until you know the history and look back at what happened.

Shunning does no good unless the person knows they are being shunned, so they would tell you if you didn't get it. As for looking it up and "Figuring it out, I have a logical questions for you. If everyone is out to get you, are you still paranoid, or realistic?

Maybe, just maybe the reason this has "Happened" to you is that personality thing you just brought up, people are people, and if you kick them in the shins enough, they will avoid you.

[MHGinTN]

The son of perdition is back. He sure thinks he’s important don’tchaknow.

[broncobilly]

The Church doesn’t do shunning.
It is true people can have their records removed from the Mormon Church. That can happen because you ask for that action. It can also happen, for example, if you are a person in leadership and should be setting an example, but don’t, that is, commit some grievous sin such as adultery or a felony. It can happen if you are a scholar and publicly attack the Church or its teachings, claiming your membership in the Church as your credential for being taken seriously. Then the Church will remove your membership so you can speak as a private person with no implied condoning of what you say.
It is quite possible people who have their membership removed feel cut off. But usually there is an effort to try to win people back and not have them feel cut off.

[Petronski]

I think he would be a shoo-in as the Republican candidate if not for the fact that he is Mormon.

Willard the Victim. Right.

And opponents are just a bunch of Mormon-haters. Right.

[DelphiUser]

They never can come out and state it plainly can they?

As clear as Crystal, either you have the authority, or you do not. Not everyone to ever hold the Authority was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Celestial glory is dependant upon baptism by one with proper authority (LDS priesthood), So if you are alive right now, then you must be baptized LDS, or have someone baptize you by proxy after you die. Why can’t they just answer the question? Yes or No?

Because you guys never ask yes or no questions.

If you are alive now, we are the repository of that authority now, so yes, if you were alive in Jesus' day he, and the apostles, and John and several others held the authority so no.

If you ask lousy questions you will get lousy answers.

I’ll hold my breath until one of them answers in a clear, unmistakeable yes or no.

I did my best with your lousy (IMHO) question.

If the question was, if I am alive to day is the LDS church the only church on the face of the earth with the authority to baptize me unto salvation? the answer would be "yes".

If you asked, is the LDS church the only church to ever baptize for the dead with the proper authority to do so, the answer would be "no".

I think you phrase the questions in a purposefully confusing manner, then ask for a yes or no answer so you can jump on either "Clear" answer. Ask better questions and we'll give better answers.

[DelphiUser]

Never mind, billy, someone else has chosen to do the obfuscating for you.

LOL! you won't even say who you are responding to, and we are the one's obfuscating... ROTFLOL!!!

[wideminded]

?????

The quote I posted was from an affidavit of someone who actually knew Joseph Smith before he started the Mormon church. I think it may be indicative of the character of Joseph Smith.

[DelphiUser]

Do I understand you correctly that you are suggesting that HOT chocolate and COLD Coca-Cola® are BIG thbings we MUST avoid?

Hot Chocolate and I believe Coke are served int eh Temple (or maybe they use Pepsi products in the cafeteria there, haven't checked.)

One of the best brownies I ever had was in a temple cafeteria...

[Calpernia]

I’m not interested. Thanks though.

[DelphiUser]

You’d better call for Grig or Delphiuser or even ol’ R***y to help you out.

Them guys are ganging up on you!

—MormonDude(I got yer back!)

"Shwo dau Tasu Tsau, Tsau Tsau Dau." - The chinese version of "Speak of the Devil"

[DelphiUser]

The son of perdition is back. He sure thinks he’s important don’tchaknow.

From you, that's a compliment, Thanks!

[DelphiUser]

And opponents are just a bunch of Mormon-haters. Right.

I am supporting Fred Thompson and I am a Mormon, does that mean I hate myself?

(Hey this just may be right...) LOL!

[Petronski]

LOL