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Wolf debate hits close to home for ranchers ( Canadian wolves )
Associated Press...The Billings Gazette ^ | November 24, 2007 | MATTHEW BROWN

Posted on 11/24/2007 6:50:43 PM PST by george76

PRAY - For rancher Randy Petrich, the removal of gray wolves from the endangered-species list - a move that would open up the animals to hunting in the Northern Rockies for the first time in decades - couldn't come soon enough.

Petrich has seen fresh wolf tracks almost every morning this fall - close enough to threaten his cattle.

"I believe that any wolf on any given night, if there happens to be a calf there, they will kill it," ...

Just 12 years since the wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone National Park ... federal officials say the sharp rise in the wolf population in the region justifies removing them from the endangered species list.

It took $24 million of federal funds and more than two decades to bring wolves back ...

After years of debate, an initial 66 wolves were transplanted into the park from Canada beginning in 1995. Now, an estimated 1,545 roam Idaho, Montana and Wyoming - more than enough, federal official say, to justify removing them from the endangered-species list.

"The more of something you have, the less valuable each individual piece becomes," said Ed Bangs, the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf recovery project leader. "If you have more wolves than you have now, it's really going to start causing a lot of problems."

David Mech, a University of Minnesota researcher considered one of the world's leading experts on wolf behavior, predicted populations in the Northern Rockies could hold steady or keep expanding, even with hunting permitted...

Since reintroduction, wolf numbers have increased 20 percent to 30 percent a year as the animals thrived in a habitat flush with elk, moose and other prey. Even where entire packs were taken out to curb livestock kills, new packs have quickly filled the gap.

(Excerpt) Read more at billingsgazette.net ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Oregon; US: Washington; US: Wyoming
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“I have no romantic ideals when it comes to competing predators. Folks that want wolves can import them into their city parks, and deal with them”


Indeed. SO EASY to brainwash folks with lots of pretty pictures.

Truth is the non-profit groups and the government programs rely on the mythical notions of these animals to keep the emotional and financial support intact.

I would have respect for them and their objectives if they showed integrity.


101 posted on 12/22/2007 10:16:01 AM PST by biscuit jane
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To: All

“Boo Hoo, they might have to spend some of that 90 Billion dollars in subsidizes “


Uh better check your figures. 90 billion. Nope. Another lie.


102 posted on 12/22/2007 10:18:29 AM PST by biscuit jane
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To: mamelukesabre

“Most meat originates from a feed lot. Ranching is going going going...


HELLO where do you think FEED lot cattle come from ?


103 posted on 12/22/2007 10:24:10 AM PST by biscuit jane
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To: biscuit jane

Small landowners that feed their cattle a combination of pasture, the leftover stumps in harvested fields, bailed feed that’s hauled in, and grain feed that’s hauled in.

That’s not ranching. NOt to me anyway.


104 posted on 12/22/2007 10:34:36 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: biscuit jane

If they showed integrity, they would be thrown off of the planet for wanting to make animals supreme over humans.


105 posted on 12/23/2007 9:41:08 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: mamelukesabre

What do you consider “ranching”?


106 posted on 12/23/2007 9:42:51 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Someone with lots of land that isn’t suitable for farming is a rancher. Someone that can “round up the herd” by walking around on foot for an hour is not a rancher


107 posted on 12/23/2007 9:53:47 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

FYI, “Ranchers” also send their cattle to feed lots, and during the winter feed their cattle bailed hay.
The large operations you are thinking of are mostly gone, but there never were that many Bonanza sized ones in the first place. Most were small operations. There are many smaller streams, if you will, of cattle going to the feed lots. The feed lots don’t breed them or raise them to weaning age.


108 posted on 12/23/2007 9:59:33 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I was born in nebraska. So your post might as well be in a foreign language as far as I’m concerned.

Look up cherry county nebraska.


109 posted on 12/23/2007 10:18:31 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I’m sorry that history isn’t your forte.
Adios.


110 posted on 12/23/2007 10:24:16 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: SatinDoll
Borzoi, or Russian Wolfhounds, hunted in packs

A friend of mine in N.W. Kansas hunts coyotes with greyhounds.......usually six at a time.

111 posted on 12/23/2007 10:34:38 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

English please. THis is not a pro amnesty forum.

Happy trails ;)


112 posted on 12/23/2007 10:39:01 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: roamer_1
To me, you don't know what you are talking about.

Folks living where you do (montana?) and where my Kansan friend lives do all kinds of things that city folks who have never spent time in those parts would never understand.

113 posted on 12/23/2007 10:43:23 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
all there is to ranching is to turn the stock out to graze and count the money after slaughter

I understand what you're saying. you should have mentioned the the round up, the tagging, innoculations, do it yourself veterinary, helping with problem births. And if your cattle aren't free grazers, then you've fence repairs, the daily rolling out the feed bails.........thats just a start.

114 posted on 12/23/2007 10:50:05 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco; SatinDoll

In turkey they use three different dogs to hunt a wolf.

The pointer is used to track and find the wolf.

The “turkmen tazi” is used to chase the wolf(like a cross between a borzoi and a greyhound)

Then a special kind of kangal(anatolian shepherd) is used to kill the wolf.

If you like to read about dog breed and dog history/legend, you will find this fascinating: “THE STEPPE MONSTER”

http://anatoliandog.org/isik-004.htm


115 posted on 12/23/2007 11:20:29 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Hot Tabasco
Folks living where you do (montana?) and where my Kansan friend lives do all kinds of things that city folks who have never spent time in those parts would never understand.

Yes, Montana, and you are right.

116 posted on 12/23/2007 3:11:04 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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