Posted on 11/21/2007 6:33:25 PM PST by neverdem
” ... i am in colombia ... “
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South Carolina?
To: CHICAGOFARMER
” ... i am in colombia ... “
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South Carolina?
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South America
'Honest' judges have the least to worry about if TSHTF ???
Better one: due to artificially limited supply of cars, a VW Golf in decent shape would cost you $250,000 - and that’s at least 20 years old. You can’t even buy a car made after 1986. Dodge Neons, which should be relatively cheap, are simply unavailable.
Machineguns are not expensive because they are expensive to make.
Machineguns are expensive because the supply is horribly limited.
A new M16 should cost about $1000.
A new M16, having sat unfired in a box for over 20 years, will cost you upwards of $20,000.
You can’t even get an M4 - at any price.
The fact that you’re hanging onto the “but machineguns are legal!” argument shows that the gun-grabbers are wise: by providing a tiny loophole, they’ve warded off the “they’re banned” accusation, and get idiots like us arguing over the semantics of availability - right at a point where neither of us can afford such a thing.
Yes, OLD machineguns are legal. After a couple decades of prohibiting new ones, their value as collectibles far exceeds their value as tools.
Yes, OLD machineguns are legal. For most practical purposes, they’re banned. I recently bought an M4LE; it does not have “the switch”, which if not for 922(o) it would have - and for the same very affordable price.
The silver lining in the last 70 or so years of unconstitutional gun laws, is that once Heller is decided, we will have a ton of empirical evidence with which to challenge these laws.
It won't be a matter of each side speculating what these laws will do to the crime rate and how they will benefit society, but rather a matter of expert witnesses punching holes in all the "arguments" put forth by the gun banners as to why these laws are necessary for public safety using all the data that is available to us right now. And your analogy is a great illustration of how the laws wrt fully automatic firearms have only kept them from the hands of the average citizen.
The courts are going to be very busy in the next 15 years or so.
I'm actually considering getting out of public service so I can start suing government over these laws.
Thanks for addressing this thread toward me.
I have a question though:
Should the Supreme Court favor the “individual right” belief applies to everyone...
How could the ‘68 gun control act stand ?
Yes, indeed. California is one of the states that does not have a "Keep and Bear" clause in its state Constitution; therefore, if the worst happens, I figure the RATs in Sacramento will attempt a total ban on pistols and revolvers followed by an attempt at confiscation.
Good question.......any form of gun control prohibits ownership in some form or another yet I can see Class III / NFA rules standing. Don’t like it yet can see it happening.
Hope yer well Sir !
Stay safe !
Not sure I understand my friend.......can ya expand on the post a bit for me ?
Stay safe !
It has to survive either a rational basis or strict scrutiny test depending on what type of individual right SCOTUS determines that the second amendment protects.
After further review, Ive decided that while the supremes are egomaniacal, they certainly arent stoopid. They may just realize the highwire that all gobmint branches are walking with regards to 2A. They are aware of the history of it and of the oath that hundreds of thousands/millions of guys like you have taken as well as their own.
That being said, and in a climate with dipsh!ts like harry & nancy standing up to become targets for the aformentioned patriots, wouldnt it be the wise course for them to go 9-0 full boat constructionists and really direct the fire at individuals of the 535 congresscritters, rather than taking the blame/consequences themselves as only nine targets that prolly dont garner as much protection as the other slobs???
As a bonus, their approval and 'trust' factor would rise a bunch, fortifying their place of power in the fed structure. After all, most citizens will sorta respect an 'honest' judge...
Clear as mud?
of course they may just be flat nuts and declare war...
keep yer powder dry just in case...
Should the Supreme Court favor the “individual right” belief applies to everyone...
How could the ‘68 gun control act stand ?
This decision is about an outright ban of a whole class of arms, and if upheld in its entirety, it would be limited to that result.
Of course, that likely would give a solid foundation to overturn any future AWB, the 1986 Machine Gun Ban, and even state AWBs and local pistol bans.
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