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A-10 pilots should have an edge next time they go downrange
Stars and Stripes ^ | November 22, 2007 | Charlie Reed

Posted on 11/21/2007 4:33:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

SPANGDAHLEM, Germany – Tracking and pursuing enemy forces on the ground should be easier for A-10 pilots with the 81st Fighter Squadron when they go downrange early next year.

By the time they deploy, leaders hope the unit’s 18 aircraft will be outfitted with new targeting systems. Three already have been installed with six more on the way.

The technology allows pilots to deploy laser-guided munitions, pursue moving targets at night with infrared imaging and stabilize points on the ground while maneuvering. The information is routed from a targeting pod attached under the wing to a monitor in the one-man cockpit. Ground forces also have access to the images coming from the plane.

“It’s like a super-powered binocular,” said 1st Lt. Stephen Bowen, who will be deploying for the first time with the unit. It is still unknown where the squadron will be sent.

But Bowen and the other pilots are learning to use the new systems with caution.

It’s apparently easy to get caught up watching the tracking screen, jokingly referred to as the “drool cup.” So pilots are learning to strike a balance between using the targeting system and their tried-and-true technique of simply looking out the window.

Watching the monitor too much can be dangerous because “it’s like looking through a soda straw,” Bowen said. “It’s a very limited field of vision … In some cases, it’s better not to use it at all.”

The unit just got back to Spangdahlem after a seven-week training mission at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla. There they worked with the new targeting technology and participated in two close-air support exercises with the U.S. Army, Navy and Marines, and British forces.

The scenarios allowed the unit the rare opportunity “to integrate with all the different assets,” said Maj. Mark Lambertsen, the unit’s second in command.

Built to operate near the front lines, the A-10 can fly at low air speeds and altitude. It can survive direct hits from armor-piercing and high explosive projectiles up to 23 mm. Pilots are protected by titanium armor that also protects parts of the flight-control system.

Close-air support missions are expected to be the unit’s primary focus downrange, Lambertsen said.

“The toughest part is keeping track of all the moving parts to make sure everyone’s de-conflicted and to maintain situational awareness,” he said.

The key to close-air support is “finding the fine line between trying to support them with air power and to do things fast without messing up,” Lambertsen said. “We can’t afford any mistakes.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: a10; airsupport; ang; cas; hogdrivers; tankkiller; thunderbolt; usaf; warthogs
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To: NavyDude; molette67
Not just a tank killer anymore.


41 posted on 11/21/2007 7:25:21 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Jet Jaguar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSk2Xc3Eq4&feature=related A10 Wartog - Thunderstruck

Awesome video.

42 posted on 11/21/2007 7:27:34 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue
You're right.

The chorus in the AC/DC music "Thunder" at the beginning of the video sounds a lot like the 30mm on continuous. Probably why it was chosen.

43 posted on 11/21/2007 7:37:38 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: FReepaholic
The air force has no intention of building a new armored plane to replace the A 10. The plan is to replace the A 10 with some kind of variation of the F35.


This reminds me when the air force built a fighter plane with no cannon because ‘missiles’ are all you need. Now their bright idea is ‘stealth’ is all you need. These paper pushers are as dumb as a door nail.

44 posted on 11/21/2007 7:37:52 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: 50mm

I thought “Party Mix” was two DUs and one HE. Repeat as necessary.


45 posted on 11/21/2007 7:40:32 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: 50mm
BTW, I love that aircraft! It is so blue-collar. Nothing fancy or snooty about it; just rugged and gets the job done.
46 posted on 11/21/2007 7:43:15 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: 50mm

Center of gravity issues. The new engines are heavier and there is no place forward of the COG to put ballast. Their working on trimming the engine weight but the ideas I’ve read would mean the engines would then cost as much as the original aircraft.


47 posted on 11/21/2007 7:57:09 PM PST by Mamba56 ("You've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting." - Gen. Curtis LeMay)
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To: rmh47
I guess I didn't understand the "party" lingo. I had to look up the term. My contracting for the A-10 was avionics-related, not armament.

The picture does appear to have a 2,1,2,1 pattern. When I watched the loading of ammunition in person, all the rounds were DU (or at least they all looked the same,) but the aircraft was headed for target practice out of Davis-Monthan not real combat.

By the way, even though they told me the DU rounds were "safe," I never touched them or the gatling barrels. Can't be too "safe!" I was planning children at the time and didn't want them to come out glowing.

48 posted on 11/21/2007 8:05:39 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: Mamba56
Center of gravity issues.

Maybe that's why they changed the engine pylons in the last upgrade. Could be they went to a lighter metal like titanium to offset the increased weight of the possible new engines. Just guessing here.

49 posted on 11/21/2007 8:13:56 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I understand they still suffer birdstrikes from the rear.

LOL. That is so so so so wrong! LOL

50 posted on 11/21/2007 8:21:50 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

I was rolling on that one, too. Had to think about it for a minute though. Hope there aren’t any hogdrivers in the thread. They might take offense.


51 posted on 11/21/2007 8:25:42 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: Jet Jaguar
“The toughest part is keeping track of all the moving parts to make sure everyone’s de-conflicted and to maintain situational awareness,” he said.

Ah, "de-conflicted", my favorite military speak non-word. Man I used to hate hearing that.

52 posted on 11/21/2007 9:34:06 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: Jet Jaguar

Almost looks like stall speed for a normal craft...


53 posted on 11/21/2007 9:34:15 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: 50mm

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Everybit as exceptional a craft as America is a nation!!! Thanks...


54 posted on 11/21/2007 9:37:51 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Speaking of the F-35 VTOL, has anyone seen the Die Hard,Live Free movie?
There is an episode of the F-35 absolutely demolishing a freeway superstructure, granted its Hollywood special effects but clearly was intimidatingly awesome in the very least, go rent or buy the movie to at least see that episode.


55 posted on 11/21/2007 9:45:05 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Loud Mime

Just so it’s LCD, flat screen and High Def!!! Hey mom! Their turnin our enemies into Swiss Cheeze on TV!!! Yes, Son, they’re learnin a hole new respect for American Exceptionalism!!!


56 posted on 11/21/2007 9:51:54 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Here are some pics I took of a couple of A-10's doing some touch-and-go landings at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton a few months ago. Enjoy.


57 posted on 11/21/2007 9:52:51 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Ol Stonewall said we could take 'em by surprise, if we din't fire our cannons till we looked 'em in the eyes...

We fired our guns and they began ta runnin, there isn't quite as many as there was awhile ago... We fired once more and they began ta runnin, they ran through the places where a rabbit couldn't go...

Off we go, into the wild blue yonder... Those planes are NOT symbolism over substance... NO SIR!!!

Those are excellent pics... Thanks and happy great American style Thanksgiving Holiday to you Stonewall.

58 posted on 11/21/2007 10:02:17 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Our God was my shield. His protecting care is an additional cause for gratitude.

Let us cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees.

And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you, SierraWasp.

59 posted on 11/21/2007 10:14:14 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Beautiful... God bless!


60 posted on 11/21/2007 10:18:22 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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