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Scientists find fossil of enormous bug
AP via YAHOO! ^ | 11-20-07 | THOMAS WAGNER

Posted on 11/20/2007 7:45:12 PM PST by Pharmboy


This is a computer generated image issued by the University
of Bristol in England released on Tuesday Nov. 20, 2007
showing a size comparison between a human an ancient sea
scorpion. A fossil found in Germany indicates the ancient
sea scorpion was once 2.5 metres (8 feet) long, making
it the biggest bug ever known to have existed. (AP
Photo/University of Bristol, HO)

This was a bug you couldn't swat and definitely couldn't step on. British scientists have stumbled across a fossilized claw, part of an ancient sea scorpion, that is of such large proportion it would make the entire creature the biggest bug ever. How big? Bigger than you, and at 8 feet long as big as some Smart cars.

The discovery in 390-million-year-old rocks suggests that spiders, insects, crabs and similar creatures were far larger in the past than previously thought, said Simon Braddy, a University of Bristol paleontologist and one of the study's three authors.

"This is an amazing discovery," he said Tuesday.

"We have known for some time that the fossil record yields monster millipedes, super-sized scorpions, colossal cockroaches, and jumbo dragonflies. But we never realized until now just how big some of these ancient creepy-crawlies were," he said.

The research found a type of sea scorpion that was almost half a yard longer than previous estimates and the largest one ever to have evolved.

The study, published online Tuesday in the Royal Society's journal Biology Letters, means that before this sea scorpion became extinct it was much longer than today's average man is tall.

Prof. Jeorg W. Schneider, a paleontologist at Freiberg Mining Academy in southeastern Germany, said the study provides valuable new information about "the last of the giant scorpions."

Schneider, who was not involved in the study, said these scorpions "were dominant for millions of years because they didn't have natural enemies. Eventually they were wiped out by large fish with jaws and teeth."

Braddy's partner paleontologist Markus Poschmann found the claw fossil several years ago in a quarry near Prum, Germany, that probably had once been an ancient estuary or swamp.

"I was loosening pieces of rock with a hammer and chisel when I suddenly realized there was a dark patch of organic matter on a freshly removed slab. After some cleaning I could identify this as a small part of a large claw," said Poschmann, another author of the study.

"Although I did not know if it was more complete or not, I decided to try and get it out. The pieces had to be cleaned separately, dried, and then glued back together. It was then put into a white plaster jacket to stabilize it," he said.

Eurypterids, or ancient sea scorpions, are believed to be the extinct aquatic ancestors of today's scorpions and possibly all arachnids, a class of joint-legged, invertebrate animals, including spiders, scorpions, mites and ticks.

Braddy said the fossil was from a Jaekelopterus Rhenaniae, a kind of scorpion that lived only in Germany for about 10 million years, about 400 million years ago.

He said some geologists believe that gigantic sea scorpions evolved due to higher levels of oxygen in the atmosphere in the past. Others suspect they evolved in an "arms race" alongside their likely prey, fish that had armor on their outer bodies.

Braddy said the sea scorpions also were cannibals that fought and ate one other, so it helped to be as big as they could be.

"The competition between this scorpion and its prey was probably like a nuclear standoff, an effort to have the biggest weapon," he said. "Hundreds of millions of years ago, these sea scorpions had the upper hand over vertebrates — backboned animals like ourselves."

That competition ended long ago.

But the next time you swat a fly, or squish a spider at home, Braddy said, try to "think about the insects that lived long ago. You wouldn't want to swat one of those."

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On the Net: http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk


TOPICS: Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbug; godsgravesglyphs
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To: ValerieTexas
...and let's not forget the contemporary with the obvious Darwinist connection...
61 posted on 11/20/2007 9:32:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy
Had to be something with the gravity that allowed this stuff. Tertiary moon. I know it’s a theory associated with Nazis but it’s logical.
62 posted on 11/20/2007 9:37:11 PM PST by isrul
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To: SunkenCiv

I know them, I’m their uncle!!


63 posted on 11/20/2007 9:38:01 PM PST by ValerieTexas
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To: CarrotAndStick

it could work the other way around. if the large predators died out from some other reason, the big prey would not be kept in check, have overpopulation and get wiped out


64 posted on 11/20/2007 9:40:08 PM PST by ari-freedom (Scientific consensus is formed by the public schools and government grants.)
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To: txflake

PUNCHBUGGIE!

No returns!

A very old game. I remember playing it as a kid.


65 posted on 11/20/2007 9:41:20 PM PST by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: ValerieTexas

I think everyone can agree with this:
The discovery in rocks suggests that spiders, insects, crabs and similar creatures were far larger in the past than previously known


66 posted on 11/20/2007 9:43:35 PM PST by ari-freedom (Scientific consensus is formed by the public schools and government grants.)
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To: Don W
Good Lord! This is an American tradition?

She popped me like it was the correct thing to do!

67 posted on 11/20/2007 9:44:38 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

omg that’s a great photo!


68 posted on 11/20/2007 9:56:35 PM PST by gunservative
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To: txflake

Tradition? Not really. It’s just a thing that we in North America have been doing for the last 40 years or so.

It’s all good fun, provided you are judicious in how hard you hit. For example, I wouldn’t wind up and give some 6 year old girl a full-on whap, but I wouldn’t be overly shocked if her 4 year old brother hit me with everything he had.

The etiquette up here also insists that only the shoulder or upper thigh is a fair target, and “PUNCHBUGGIE no returns” ensures that only ONE person gives and gets the strike.

( I can’t believe I’m posting the PUNCHBUGGIE rules! LOL )


69 posted on 11/20/2007 9:58:59 PM PST by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: Don W
How it went down - I was turning a longbed F-250 across incoming traffic when I got stung on my arm!

When I see her Thanksgiving, I'll tell her this is an evidently long-standing custom, and whap her again.

70 posted on 11/20/2007 10:23:57 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: ValerieTexas

;’)


71 posted on 11/20/2007 10:30:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Don W

All my kids play punchbuggie.


72 posted on 11/21/2007 12:11:46 AM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Pharmboy; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro
"We have known for some time that the fossil record yields monster millipedes, super-sized scorpions, colossal cockroaches, and jumbo dragonflies. But we never realized until now just how big some of these ancient creepy-crawlies were," he said.

Where's this guy been?


73 posted on 11/21/2007 1:02:37 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Don W; Marie2; txflake
I always knew the game as Slug-Bug. It was a popular past-time in the 70's.

The object was to be the first one to see a Bug, call out the color, then slug someone.

If you called the color wrong, you were slugged back.

You could only be slugged once for each Bug.

If you slugged the driver, all rules went out the window.

74 posted on 11/21/2007 2:50:40 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Pharmboy
Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
75 posted on 11/21/2007 4:15:07 AM PST by Cheburashka (DUmmieland = Opus Dopium. In all senses of the word dope.)
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To: Pharmboy

That bug is still in infant stage compared to bugs in Florida./sarc


76 posted on 11/21/2007 4:19:13 AM PST by moonman
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To: moonman

First time I ever saw a palmetto bug, I thought it was a gag. Told granny the lizards on her walls weren’t big enough to handle that, maybe she should get a small doberman.


77 posted on 11/21/2007 4:52:00 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Call me a pro-life zealot with a 1-track mind.)
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To: Pharmboy

How do they know it wasn’t just a small creature with a big claw? Like a fiddler crab maybe.


78 posted on 11/21/2007 4:53:09 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Call me a pro-life zealot with a 1-track mind.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Florida and Texas has the biggest palmetto (cockroaches) bugs. I think Texas holds the record over past few years. When they measure, it has to be unsquashed. haha


79 posted on 11/21/2007 5:14:33 AM PST by moonman
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Pharmboy; Lijahsbubbe; dighton; martin_fierro
Without aculeus it's utterly harmless.
80 posted on 11/21/2007 6:27:28 AM PST by aculeus
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