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What Has Atheism Done for Us?
Townhall.com ^ | October 31, 2007 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 11/19/2007 10:02:30 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

My new book What’s So Great About Christianity, just out, is already an amazon.com bestseller, a Wall Street Journal bestseller and No. 16 on the New York Times bestseller list. On Saturday C-Span broadcast my debate with God Is Not Great author Christopher Hitchens. Many people have commented that this is the best debate on the topic of Christianity v. Atheism that has yet been held. If you haven’t seen it, you can find the debate on my website dineshdsouza.com. Following the debate, AOL posted the video on its main page, and asked people to make up their minds and vote on who won. Modesty prevents me from disclosing the answer.

Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, watched the debate and reported with some agitation that the audience seemed to be applauding more for me than for Hitchens. Dawkins commented on his website that the New York crowd must have been a "dopey" lot. But if you listen to the debate, you will see that both atheists and believers were well represented. The audience applause was initially stronger for Hitchens, and only as the debate went on did it trend markedly toward me. So is Dawkins suggesting that the audience was very intelligent to start with but became more "dopey" as the debate went on? More likely we are seeing evidence of the "Dawkins delusion," an unwillingness to use good sense and face facts when Dawkins' own belief system is called into question.

One of the most interesting questions in the debate was posed to Hitchens by a man from Tonga. Before the Christians came to Tonga, he said, the place was a mess. Even cannibalism was widespread...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; christianity; dsouza; enjoythevoid; evangelicalatheists; socialdarwinism
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1 posted on 11/19/2007 10:02:31 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: DaveLoneRanger; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; editor-surveyor; Diamond; ...

ping


2 posted on 11/19/2007 10:04:59 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Filled the prisons.


3 posted on 11/19/2007 10:05:20 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: Domangart

LOL.


4 posted on 11/19/2007 10:06:36 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Domangart

LOL again!


5 posted on 11/19/2007 10:07:15 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
What Has Atheism Done for Us?

Given us congress.

6 posted on 11/19/2007 10:08:42 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: GodGunsGuts

Absolutely nothing that I know, except give Donahue some filler with angry evangelical atheists.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 10:11:57 PM PST by Santa Fe_Conservative
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To: GodGunsGuts

“The audience applause was initially stronger for Hitchens, and only as the debate went on did it trend markedly toward me.”

Evolution?


8 posted on 11/19/2007 10:12:16 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Choice of sparkplugs can obviously mean the difference between a reckless speeding DWI driver and a safe one.

Noooo. Does not follow.

Christianity is an entire car. Metaphysics, Epistemology, Ethics, some politics. Atheism is just a sparkplug—metaphysics alone.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 10:19:07 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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If you want to watch an EXCELLENT debate. Go to D’Souza’a website (address in article).


10 posted on 11/19/2007 10:19:25 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jason Kauppinen

Hadn’t thought of it that way...Excellent point.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 10:22:56 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Taxbilly
Given us congress.

under his party's control:

12 posted on 11/19/2007 10:58:19 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Its all nice and fine to argue that Christianity is better for people and society than Athiesm, but that says nothing about whether or not Christianity is true. There is at least one athiest here at FR that repeatedly posts that he/she is an athiest but wants society to be Christian because of the good that it does.

But Christianity is about individuals not societies, it is about each and every one of us making a decision to choose to have personal relationship with God. I think that Christian apologetics based on how good it is for society misses the point altogether. Even Athiests can believe in the “goodness” of Christianity.

I am glad Hitchens lost the debate, but I am not sure if Christianity won.


13 posted on 11/19/2007 11:03:24 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Christianity car won’t run at all with Atheist “sparkplugs” in it.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 11:05:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Atheism put the state in charge of charity. The result is indentured constituency of the welfare state.

Atheism put the state in charge of moral education. The result is nothing less than tragic: gay indoctrination, broken families, and the state raising children.

Atheism destroys liberty; isn't that obvious?

15 posted on 11/19/2007 11:09:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ah my fave joke about Is there a God.

Scene set in a classroom.

Teacher tells students there is no way to prove their is a God and here is her reasoning.

She asks the students...

What color is the grass...green
What color is the sky.....Blue
What does God look like....don’t know if there is one as you can’t see him.

So one student anxiously waves her arm to be called on so the teacher gives the student the nod to go ahead.

His response was...

What color is the grass ....green
What color is the sky...blue
the kids were getting impatient then he asked How do we know if the teacher has a brain? We can’t see it.


16 posted on 11/19/2007 11:10:13 PM PST by Global2010 ( Pray the Rosary....mercy)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


17 posted on 11/19/2007 11:10:40 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: HerrBlucher

Dinesh is spot on as far as sociological observation is concerned. But his writings are spiritually unsatisfying because they rest on a veneer of civilization that Christianity has left behind and is now in the process of rot. How if we were all Tongans? All Hindus? Not even that veneer would be present.


18 posted on 11/19/2007 11:12:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You’re not asking the right question. Atheism is pretty much ephiphenomenal. (Look up the word. It’s an important concept to understand.)

You should be asking “What have the causes for atheism done for us?”, and the answer there is, it depends very much on which cause we’re talking about.


19 posted on 11/19/2007 11:26:19 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: GodGunsGuts
Who cares?

God.

20 posted on 11/19/2007 11:28:43 PM PST by onedoug
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