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Was a sad day in Southern and American History. Davis was a good and decent man with a correct view of the Constitution. Though, lie all of us, he was a flawed man, he did (like MacArthur) "his best to do his duty as God gave him the Light to see that duty".
1 posted on 11/19/2007 10:09:29 AM PST by BnBlFlag
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Should read “like all of us”


2 posted on 11/19/2007 10:10:48 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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I have to admit that I've never harbored any hostility toward Jefferson Davis, even though I suppose I could be considered a Yankee. Like so many Southerners of the period, he followed his heart and stayed true to his cause, acting with honor and nobility even as he opposed men who acted with similar virtue.

I have actually visited Fort Monroe where he was held after the armistice. The story told there is that he was a decent, restrained man, and the guards felt somewhat sheepish about confining him.

3 posted on 11/19/2007 10:14:25 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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A Sad Day indeed


4 posted on 11/19/2007 10:16:06 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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Maybe, maybe not. What history does show us is he wasn’t very good at the job, as it was detailed in the CSA constitution. He micromanaged way too much, gave in to political appointments for combat units with disasterous results (Polk, Bragg come to mind) and in the end was moving units that didn’t actually exist, as if they did, eerily reminiscent of Hitler in the last days of The Reich.

(disclaimer for you ‘Lost Cause’ types, I’m not comparing Jefferson Davis to Adolph Hitler, so don’t bother flaming me on that score).

Somebody once noted that ‘The Confederacy needed either a great stateman, or a great military leader. IN Jefferson Davis, they got neither.’

I think that about sums it up.


5 posted on 11/19/2007 10:16:26 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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Davis was a good and decent man with a correct view of the Constitution.

Good and decent yes, but his view of the Constitution was fatally flawed - as his heroic attempts to govern the South using his newfangled constitution proved to be doomed to failure.

"Died of a theory" was his own epitaph for the Confederacy.

6 posted on 11/19/2007 10:16:53 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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Unfortunately, the history books tell us more of Pres. Lincoln, Gen. Grant and Gen. Lee and very little of Pres. Jefferson Davis.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 10:17:36 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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I thought in the PPS special Civil War said while imprisoned at Fort monroe he was basically an outcast and died later after being released without many friends...

Perhaps I remember wrong..what is the proper histroy??? ...or has he become a hero after death???


9 posted on 11/19/2007 10:18:00 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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I visited his home in Pass Christian (I think), Mississippi 20 years ago. It overlooked the Gulf of Mexico. I believe it was destroyed by Katrina.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 10:22:00 AM PST by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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He was a traitor to the union.


16 posted on 11/19/2007 10:23:17 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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I pass this historical marker every once in a while, Bus. 85 N.E. of Lexington, NC.


18 posted on 11/19/2007 10:28:09 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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FWIW, my personal view is that States do have a right to secession, and that the South was legally justified in seceding, but that it was best that they didn't succeed at the effort. So no, I'm not a "Lost Causer", per se.
69 posted on 11/19/2007 11:17:16 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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Was it sad in the south because he died young? Did he have a long life? I guess I don’t know what you mean by sad day. Was it worse then when Ronald Reagan Died? That was a pretty sad day. I am sure that the day John Kennedy died was a sad day. I was not born in 1889 or 1963 so I don’t have that experience but purhaps you could give some insight. Thanks.


95 posted on 11/19/2007 11:37:14 AM PST by napscoordinator
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How many of these “Save the Union” folks would fight for the Constitution today,if it was found that The Constitution was being undermined..?Dare to say,,not one..


104 posted on 11/19/2007 11:43:25 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tomorrow!)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq-cA1JZLQY

. . . Virgil quick come see, there goes the Robert E. Lee.


126 posted on 11/19/2007 12:03:54 PM PST by tumblindice
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Didn’t he sell off part of his farm to his former slave? IIRC, they remained very close friends until he died.


141 posted on 11/19/2007 12:18:35 PM PST by MattinNJ (I'm pulling for Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter-...but I'd vote for Rudy against Hillary)
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Wonder how today’s traitors will be remembered in 40 years?


169 posted on 11/19/2007 1:22:35 PM PST by purpleraine
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The one thing that drives me nuts in the Civil War discussions is the insistence by each side that its side had a monopoly on the good men. History is seldom black and white. In the Civil War, EACH side had some good men and EACH side has some incredibly wicked men.

Neither side had a monopoly on morality, either. While I am inclined to agree with the South's right to secede from the union, it was absolutely wrong on slavery.

181 posted on 11/19/2007 1:53:11 PM PST by CommerceComet
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Yeah, but he LOST and took how many brave southerners with him on his little adventure. Being right doesn’t count for much when you’re dead.

Lee and Jackson were heroes. Jeff Davis was a guy with a flawed military vision.


213 posted on 11/19/2007 6:54:35 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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Actually, Davis did all of the things that Lincoln is accused of. It was Davis who lost the war by refusing to remove incompetent Generals who were his friends. His draft act was sure “fair”. Draft all of the poor and middle class but leave the rich guys alone.


224 posted on 11/20/2007 4:06:25 AM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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You lost the war. Get over it.


227 posted on 11/20/2007 4:21:13 AM PST by Daveinyork
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