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40 MPG SMART Car Arrives in U.S. (Glorified Go Kart)
AP via Yahoo ^

Posted on 11/19/2007 9:00:06 AM PST by Slapshot68

"The Smart's base price is $11,590, and a fully loaded Smart Fortwo Passion convertible goes for $16,950. The 1,800-pound car gets 40 miles per gallon."

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; clowncar; doublesasacoffin; energy; greenieweenies; greens; smartcar; unsafeatanyspeed
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To: Squawk 8888

“Over the years I’ve gotten the impression that everything Ford and GM did in Europe was better than the stuff they come up with in Detroit.”

Case in point...the Euro Focus. Highly regarded in the European market...P.O.S. here.


221 posted on 11/19/2007 12:12:31 PM PST by Slapshot68
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To: Grunthor
This is the problem. If you want Americans to conserve, to drive cars with better fuel economy, you gotta give us something that does NOT look like it should have a pocket protector in the trunk and a pair of (taped in the middle) black, large rim glasses on the bumper.

There is a certain segment out there for whom it is not enough for a car to be fuel efficient. It must look fuel efficient. It aids in being smug.

222 posted on 11/19/2007 12:17:27 PM PST by TankerKC (You don't have to believe everything you think.)
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To: Squawk 8888
The scenario you’re describing is true of just about any vehicle where the occupants are not restrained. The airbags do not actually absorb much of the energy from a collision; their main purpose is to hold the occupant in place.

There are two ways to reduce the effects of an impact. Spread the applied force out over time, and spread the force out over area. You also try and prevent vital areas from direct impact so those areas get effected less.

Restraints spread out the force over a greater area, as well as distribute that force to areas of the body that are better built to handle that impact.

It's better to take that force across your waist and chest which are much better designed to handle it than having you head smash into the windshield or the thinner steering wheel that gives less smash into your ribs.

An airbag spreads out the force over an even greater area. It also cushions the impact to some extent, by spreading out the force over time. They reduce the acceleration of the person, rather than the acceleration of the whole vehicle like crumple zones do. They also try to apply force to even out the force on your body so your torso doesn't get decelerated faster than your head which can can be very bad for your neck.

Crumple zones help by reducing the acceleration from a collision, but if the occupants are not wearing seatbelts then the vehicle will be a deathtrap regardless of size or safety features.

True. Because the passengers are much more likely to take a localized impact on the dash or window rather than have that force spread out more.

However crumple zones reduce the overall acceleration felt by the passenger compartment. A more massive vehicle also reduces the overall acceleration in a collision between two cars because more of the impact will be felt by the other vehicle that way.

What a rigid passenger compartment tries to do is prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment by objects that might produce force in a localized area damaging it more.

A lighter vehicle is more dangerous than a heavier one.

A vehicle without crumple zones is more dangerous than one with them.

A vehicle without restraints and airbags is more dangerous than on with them.

Both big cars and tiny ones can have airbags and restraints.

The tiny one can't have crumple zones, and regardless of the design of the frame usually has a harder time preventing objects from intruding into the passenger compartment, and the larger vehicle can always have a better protected passenger compartment.

The more massive vehicle will always take a lower portion of the impact force.

We can talk about unrestrained occupants, but once again they are still safer in the larger vehicle, because they will get tossed around less.

The smaller vehicle always has the disadvantage, they are just trying to lessen that disadvantage with a rigid passenger compartment.

223 posted on 11/19/2007 12:17:35 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: baltoga

Don’t, I think my F150 crapped it out the tailpipe! Bad gas.


224 posted on 11/19/2007 12:24:06 PM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: PAR35
Now that I think about it, AMC was wonderful.

Had a Rambler for a while in high school. All the dudes thought they were so cool in their 57 Fords and Chevys or TR3 or other 2 seat sports cars.

In my Rambler... the front seat reclined into a bed.

Now, think back to high school. What did we all want to be, cool or laid?

:~)

225 posted on 11/19/2007 12:24:35 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
I was speaking figuratively! My brother is a Volvo person and is insufferable when it comes to cars.

I take it back!

226 posted on 11/19/2007 12:26:11 PM PST by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: Slapshot68

40 MPG SMART Car Arrives in U.S. — my question is, “How did it get here? Does it float too?”


227 posted on 11/19/2007 12:28:41 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Slapshot68

In this case, “Smart Car” can be translated to:

“Death Trap”.


228 posted on 11/19/2007 12:29:15 PM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: Slapshot68

That might well be among the ugliest vehicles to reach our shores in 3 decades. I’m surprised that GM didn’t design it!


229 posted on 11/19/2007 12:31:59 PM PST by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: stevio
You would think it would get better than that.

You're right - there used to be a few cars that would exceed 40 mpg highway. A couple of 4-cylinder gasoline cars like the early Civic, and I believe a couple of diesels (the VW Rabbit comes to mind). They were considerably larger than this toy, and you could actually carry a few belongings with you.

230 posted on 11/19/2007 12:37:52 PM PST by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: Slapshot68
Exactly! My Toyota Corolla gets 36MPG. An additional 4MPG would not make "upgrading" to this thing worth while... For a while, I thought about moving to a diesel, however even getting nearly 50MPG is being eaten away by the fact that in my area, diesel fuel is nearly .35 a gallon more than unleaded. More importantly, my Toyota is paid off, and I'd rather not go into debt for another car. Maybe in another 5 or 6 years...

Mark

231 posted on 11/19/2007 1:00:22 PM PST by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Slapshot68

They’d sell a lot of those if they cut the price in half, but - as you say - for $17K you can get almost the same mileage and a lot more car.


232 posted on 11/19/2007 1:14:05 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: John Williams
"Probably wouldn’t fare any better in the face of an 18-wheeler."

I hope none of the SUV enthusiasts on this thread think they can take on an 18-wheeler in their SUV.
233 posted on 11/19/2007 1:18:05 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Pretty damn good, actually.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/433802/smart_crash_test/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/60538/smart_car_crash/

And in this one, it fares better than the Mercedes S Class it hits head on...
http://www.htlounge.net/articles/681/1/Smart-car-crash-test-video


234 posted on 11/19/2007 1:24:44 PM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: Steve_Seattle

“”Probably wouldn’t fare any better in the face of an 18-wheeler.”

I hope none of the SUV enthusiasts on this thread think they can take on an 18-wheeler in their SUV.”


When one compensates for depressed gonad size with an oversized SUV, you don’t expect them to think rationally, do you? SUV drivers are fun to watch here in Florida when we have an afternoon clouburst and the oil in the asphalt comes to the surface of the road.....An Excursion or H3, with a 5’3” soccer mom trying to drive it, will spin more times than you think at 70+ MPH.


235 posted on 11/19/2007 1:28:03 PM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: Slapshot68

Those are cool cars for cities. I’ve seen them in Europe and they make a ton of sense for a place like London.


236 posted on 11/19/2007 1:29:53 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Slapshot68

Is this another “Designed by OPEC” cars?

I live in America, I want big, I want EGO big, i want something that absolutely screams, “Don’t Mess with me!” type of big.

This NOT the future, future cars will have an abundance of power, 500HP fuel celled engines are everyday practical instead of these Rube Goldberg Model T’s.


237 posted on 11/19/2007 1:38:48 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Slapshot68

We saw plenty of these on a couple of Euro vacations. My recollection was that in Italy, they are only allowed in the city and are denied access to the Autostrada.


238 posted on 11/19/2007 1:41:35 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: untrained skeptic
Even if they form an impenetrable cage around you, it doesn't do you any good if you get splattered on the inside of that cage.

On the plus side they could hose down the interior and sell it to the next customer...

239 posted on 11/19/2007 1:49:05 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Eye of Unk

In America, there is an identity tied to the car you drive. Elsewhere in the world it is like a toaster.

Get used to having a toaster with no personality, comrade.


240 posted on 11/19/2007 1:50:09 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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