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Huckabee: Abortion Not States' Call
Newsmax ^ | Nov. 18, 2007

Posted on 11/19/2007 5:32:58 AM PST by the tongue

Huckabee: Abortion Not States' Call

Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:01 PM

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WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee rejects letting states decide whether to allow abortions, claiming the right to life is a moral issue not subject to multiple interpretations.

"It's the logic of the Civil War," Huckabee said Sunday, comparing abortion rights to slavery. "If morality is the point here, and if it's right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can't have 50 different versions of what's right and what's wrong."

"For those of us for whom this is a moral question, you can't simply have 50 different versions of what's right," he said in a broadcast interview.

The former Arkansas governor, who has drawn within striking distance of Mitt Romney in Iowa's leadoff presidential caucuses, said he was taken aback by the National Right to Life Committee's recent endorsement of Fred Thompson, the ex-Tennessee senator.

"But my surprise was nothing compared to the surprise of people across America who had been faithful supporters of right to life," said Huckabee, who is challenging Thompson's claim that he is the most reliable candidate in the GOP field.

"Fred's never had a 100 percent record on right to life in his Senate career. The records reflect that. And he doesn't support the human life amendment which is most amazing because that's been a part of the Republican platform since 1980," Huckabee said.

In a separate interview aired Sunday, Thompson said Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision allowing legal abortion, should be overturned, with states allowed to decide whether to permit abortions. "We need to remember what the status was before Roe v. Wade," he said.

Huckabee also previewed his first television ad of the campaign on the program. The 60-second spot, which features actor Chuck Norris, was to begin running in Iowa on Monday.

"My plan to secure the border. Two words: Chuck. Norris," says Huckabee, who stares into the camera before it cuts away to show Norris standing beside him.

"Mike Huckabee is a lifelong hunter who'll protect our Second Amendment rights" on gun ownership, says the tough-guy actor, who takes turns addressing viewers.

"There's no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard, only another fist," Huckabee says.

"Mike Huckabee wants to put the IRS out of business," Norris adds.

"When Chuck Norris does a push-up, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the earth down," Huckabee says.

"Mike's a principled, authentic conservative," says Norris.

In closing, Huckabee says: "Chuck Norris doesn't endorse. He tells America how it's going to be. I'm Mike Huckabee and I approved this message. So did Chuck."

Huckabee acknowledged that the ad probably will not change many minds.

"But what it does do is exactly what it's doing this morning," he said. "Getting a lot of attention, driving people to our Web site, giving them an opportunity to find out who is this guy that would come out with Chuck Norris in a commercial."

The Thompson campaign was quick to respond.

"With his new campaign ad featuring Chuck Norris, Mike Huckabee has confused celebrity endorsement with serious policy. What would Huckabee do to secure America's border against millions of illegal immigrants pouring into our country? According to his ad, 'Two words: Chuck Norris,' " said Thompson campaign spokesman Todd Harris.

"It's appropriate that Chuck Norris would co-star in an ad with Mike Huckabee, given Huckabee has been 'Missing in Action' on the issue of illegal immigration his entire career," Harris said, referring to one of Norris' films.

Huckabee appeared on "Fox News Sunday" and Thompson was interviewed by "This Week" on ABC.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: abortion; amnesty; duncan; duncanhunter; flipflopper; fredthompson; gnats; gomerpyle; huckabee; hunter; huntergetsit; immigration; lyingliars; mikehuckabee; nrlc; nrtl; openborders; panderbear; prolife; reconquista; righttolife; rootymcrombee; shamnesty
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To: OCCASparky

There is no states rights clause in the constitution. In recent years, the phrase was popularized by rascist Democratic Senators and Congressmen who were opposing the civil rights movement in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. In the aftermath of Nixon’s southern strategy we seem to have adopted some of their legal arguments. However, this does not change the fact that “states rights” is actually a very innacurate reading of the Constitution which misconstrues the 10th Amendment and attempts to right the 14th Amendment out of the Constitution.


81 posted on 11/19/2007 7:32:41 AM PST by dschapin
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To: drpix
Ask guru Ron Paul and get back to me!

Thanks, but I'd rather not. Anytime I try to have a discussion with one of them I have a deep-seated need to take a "Crying Game" shower afterwards.
82 posted on 11/19/2007 7:33:28 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: HereInTheHeartland; nmh

First you have to define killing the unborn as murder. Then it would already be illegal.

Got the difference ?


83 posted on 11/19/2007 7:33:30 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

More disinformation. Blacks were only defined as 3/5th to apportion representation in Congress after the Revolutionary War and enumeration of taxes. It had NOTHING to do with their status or not as citizens.

You should study a bit more history of the real kind, not the revisionist kind.


84 posted on 11/19/2007 7:36:35 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: wideawake; OCCASparky; nmh
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property..."

If this was meant to include the life of the unborn, it would have also had to mean the liberty and property of the unborn... which would be a nonsensical meaning.

85 posted on 11/19/2007 7:36:58 AM PST by drpix
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To: wideawake
It is obvious that life begins at conception, both biologically and logically.

Maybe in your mind. Not in a legal sense. One must also consider the concept of viability OUTSIDE the womb, which is where we hit so many nasty little debates.

That being said, the 10th Amendment is pretty clear on intent, and so were the framers. Roe vs. Wade should never have been heard. We can all agree on that. So undermining the Constitution TWICE is somehow the ends justifying the means?

Sorry, ain't gonna happen. You start doing that and all you're doing is rendering a founding document into just another old worthless piece of paper.
86 posted on 11/19/2007 7:37:07 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Rider on the Rain
Mike Huckabee has zero chance in the general election. Now he serves Rudy by drawing votes from Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter. He love of a big central government proves he is not a conservative. He is downright stupid when it comes to national defense.
87 posted on 11/19/2007 7:38:41 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: drpix
"How are the unborn persons covered? Ask guru Ron Paul and get back to me! (To save posting space see post #34 for why the 13th & 15th Amendments also fail to cover the unborn.)"

I beleive that the 5th would cover that. As someone mentioned earlier, the only way the pro aborts get away with their argument is to deny that the unborn are not persons and push the "when does life begin" argument.

88 posted on 11/19/2007 7:38:43 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: nmh
then you can’t have 50 different versions of what’s right and what’s wrong.

We need an amendment ASAP. However, in the mean time, at least allow some states to protect their unborn. The point is that the Super Senate Supremes should not decide.

On many many other issues, you absolutely can have up to 50 different versions of what is right and wrong. Otherwise, why have states? Come on Huckabee!!! Surely you are deeper than that.

89 posted on 11/19/2007 7:44:14 AM PST by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: drpix
I agree. I'm one of those who happens to believe life begins at conception (despite my previous legal arguement vis-a-vis viability outside the womb).

Therefore, the most reasonable first step is to overturn Roe vs. Wade, THEN let the individual states decide. Remember, that court decision didn't legalize abortion per se, and that overturning it wouldn't make abortions illegal either.

Ask yourself this--would you rather get half of what you want, or none? You're setting yourself up for the none, and all the logic in the world isn't steering you away from that mistake.
90 posted on 11/19/2007 7:44:34 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: drpix
Its prohibitions directed to the states was therefore to include person born or naturalized anywhere. NOT THE UNBORN!

Nothing in the language of the 14th Amendment can be construed to exclude the unborn.

You cannot argue that the law does not apply as written because the historical circumstances which originally inspired it no longer have the same urgency.

91 posted on 11/19/2007 7:44:43 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: traderrob6; nmh

Agree, Rob. A state to state fight would be a much more practical and effective pro-life strategy. No way would a Constitutional amendment pass. In stating my opinion, I think of the state by state successes of concealed carry laws.


92 posted on 11/19/2007 7:46:19 AM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: dschapin
There is no states rights clause in the constitution.

Not exactly true. The 10th Amendment has been posted in this thread several times. The federal government does NOT, repeat NOT, have the obligation or the authority to rule on abortion--although it did just that in 1973. Reversing Roe vs. Wade would return that obligation/duty to the states where it belongs.
93 posted on 11/19/2007 7:46:53 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: the tongue

The Supreme Court has already held that the 10th Amendment merely states a Truism. It doesn’t protect “states rights” it merely reinforces the idea that the federal government is one of limited poweres by explicitly saying that any powers not granted to the federal govenment are reserved to the states or to the people.

In other words, the 10th Amendment says nothing about whether the federal government might have the power to ban abortion under the powers already granted to it by the 14th Amendment and the necessary and proper clause. It also says, nothing about whether the we should adopt a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion.

To say that we should leave this matter up to the states is basically to concede that we do not believe that an unborn child is not a person. How can we possibly say that a state has the right to legalize the killing of a class of people. If Neo-Nazis were elected in New York and legalized the killing of Jews such that hundreds of thousands of Jews were being killed in New York each year (just like hundreds of thousands of unborn children are killed in NY each year) would you still argue that the federal government should not get involved to ensure that no person is deprived of life without due process of law?


94 posted on 11/19/2007 7:48:43 AM PST by dschapin
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To: wideawake

I never realized how many good conservatives think that inalienable rights can be infringed as long as a state gubberment OK’s the practice. I wonder if there are any limits to what would be acceptable, as long as as state gubberment decides. Legal murder of children under ten? The sport hunting of the red headed? Mandatory organ removal and donation for the left handed? Taxation without representation?

Freegards


95 posted on 11/19/2007 7:54:14 AM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: drpix; OCCASparky; nmh
If this was meant to include the life of the unborn, it would have also had to mean the liberty and property of the unborn

(1) By this reasoning, one could argue that the comatose and the severely retarded are not persons, either - since they have no more practical liberty than the unborn.

(2) The unborn certainly have property rights. Some of the unborn have extremely substantial property, in fact.

My own will certainly includes sizeable bequests to at least one of my own, as yet unborn, children. And my born children already had partially-funded trusts in their names prior to their birth.

96 posted on 11/19/2007 7:55:17 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: OCCASparky

The 10th Amendment doesn’t grant rights to the states. All it does is say that power which is not granted to the federal government is reserved to the states or to the people. So, if you can find a power which allows the federal government to regulate - such as the 14th Amendment - then the 10th Amendment will not stand in the way of regulation. Also, the 10th Amendment cannot by definition be violated by a Constitutional Amendment.


97 posted on 11/19/2007 7:58:05 AM PST by dschapin
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To: Ransomed
LOL! Well said.
98 posted on 11/19/2007 7:59:25 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Great point. Also, no-one argues that infants are not persons and yet they have no real liberty or property.


99 posted on 11/19/2007 8:00:09 AM PST by dschapin
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To: All

ok, if we assume Thompson is telling the truth and that he is really strongly pro-life but believes its a states rights issue as Thompson is claiming, is there any evidence of Thompson showing pro-life leadership in his own home state???


100 posted on 11/19/2007 8:10:07 AM PST by dano1
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