Posted on 11/18/2007 4:28:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson
The story sounds like classic stump-speech material.
A business leader and friend of then-Gov. Mitt Romney suggested he could make his mark if he solved Massachusetts's health care woes. Romney, a former consultant, took up the challenge, crunched the numbers and developed a framework for insuring nearly everyone in the commonwealth. Two years later, through an impressive feat of bipartisan cooperation between the governor's office and the legislature, he signed the country's first comprehensive attempt at universal health coverage.
"An achievement like this comes around once in a generation," he said on the day he signed the bill in April 2006.
(Excerpt) Read more at concordmonitor.com ...
No tears her sunshine!:)
You said,
“We will have the poor subsidized by the govt so let’s lower the cost of that subsidy to the truly poor legal citizens and have all the rest of us pay for health care. If we can get it down to this, that will be huge victory but we will never have an idealistic situation but the poor have no govt program to help them.”
I am self employed and I pay cash. My wifes last surgury was $14,000.
She showed me a few years back where we were under a certain poverty line. At that time I cleared 70,000. How in the hell is that poverty? I refused to enter the local Chips for our 5 kids because I refuse to allow socialism to creap into my life.
You obviously are a noble person and one who believes that we can win by slowing down socialism. I don’t. We must defeat it and crush it like a cockroach or we lose.
Oh, really? My last name is hyphenated, what does that make me? Moral of the story—don’t lump EVERYONE in the same boat, thankyouverymuch.
Best laugh I’ve had all day, LOL! :-)
Please stop with the ‘fake headline’ business! It’s very common for FReepers to post the headline of the story, then add a comment of their own in parentheses or brackets afterward, good grief.
See tagline.
Thanks for highlighting, Sir!
No it’s not. It simply moves the ball closer to Hillarycare and full-fledged “free” socialized medicine for all. There was a time when most Republicans fought against this kind of garbage. RINOs = liberals = socialists = Marxists.
NO THANK YOU ROMNEY!!
I don't. It's a local problem. Let local government, private industry, churches, charities, etc, handle the problem of keeping local emergency rooms afloat. Oh yeah. If the illegals are causing the problem, fix that. Don't compound it.
I'm self-employed. My private affairs are none of your business and none of the government's.
Please cite the enumerated power that authorizes the federal government to meddle in the private affairs of individuals and private business.
“The rest are there for free care that primary care physicians won’t provide. How will socialistic Romneycare fix that?”
You just answered your own question. “Romneycare” eliminates free care and requires everyone to buy private insurance. In other words, your illegals with runny noses are on their own. No more free rides for them. I don’t understand the way you are using the word socialism to define a system that eliminates free care and stimulates competition. The end result there is that insurance premiums have dropped and a magnet for illegals has been shut down.
Now if you wanna talk about socialism and unconstitutional federal mandates you need to look no further than the medicare prescription drug approved by the Republican congress with the support of all the senators running for president now. Like it or nor Romney is the candidate with the most conservative record of the bunch.
You joined the thread *after* the headline was corrected.
The plan involves MANDATING health insurance, and such insurance has to be government "approved".
Titular private ownership driven by state control and mandate is classic fascism, the ugly stepchild of socialism.
Republicans are responsible for the largest expansion of government entitlements since Lyndon Johnson - the recent prescription coverage plan. It is a form of socialized medicine. It was a step in the wrong direction.
Romney's plan is a conservative counter-solution to further attempts at socialized medicine. People will retain their private insurance, further private insurance options will become available to those who do not have them through their employer right now, those who intend to freeload off the taxpayer if they become injured or seriously ill will have to start paying for their insurance as they should have all along, taxpayer healthcare handouts will be redirected to instead subsidize the private health insurance of the indigent.
This is not a step in the wrong direction - towards socialized medicine. It is a step in the right direction - AWAY from taxpayer healthcare handouts and government controlled socialized medicine. It does not nationalize any of the healthcare system, it does not have the government hand out healthcare or make healthcare decisions. It keeps the system private, encourages further privatization, provides individual choice on private insurance plans. Indigent healthcare is already being provided through taxpayer handouts and increased premiums as hospitals and other healthcare institutions have to pass the cost on to paying customers. This is a conservative solution to that problem.
Socialism: A system of social organization in which property and the distribution of income are subject to social control rather than individual determination or market forces.
Now let's assume I'm a healthy man age 20 who works in Massachussetts. My chances of getting sick are remote and I don't see the need (individual determinationindividual choice. The government (social control) takes my income against my will and redistributes it to the insurance company. It's for the greater good.
Looks like socialism to me. Please read Jim Robinson's post 90.
Post got all messed up. Should have read:
From Britannica online:
Socialism: A system of social organization in which property and the distribution of income are subject to social control rather than individual determination or market forces.
Now let’s assume I’m a healthy man age 20 who works in Massachussetts. My chances of getting sick are remote and I don’t see the need (individual determination) to pay $500 a month for health insurance. I’ll just pay cash when I go to the doctor. Sorry, Can’t make that choice. The government (social control) takes my income against my will and redistributes it to the insurance company. It’s for the greater good.
Looks like socialism to me. Please read Jim Robinson’s post 90.
“I’m self-employed. My private affairs are none of your business and none of the government’s.”
And you know full-well that the reason I asked about your health insurance plan is because most insurance plans cover abortion when the health of the mother is at stake.
So if you’re paying a premium to a plan that covers abortion, you’re already helping to fund other people’s abortions.
You say that the issue is about nobody forcing you to pay for abortion. If it’s really about freedom of choice, then why don’t you choose an insurance plan that doesn’t cover abortion? Is it because even in the private health insurance market, you really don’t have a choice either?
Romney’s plan cuts down on free-loading at the ER by ensuring that those who can afford health insurance actually go out and buy it, instead of spending their money on luxury items instead.
If you go to the ER, don’t have health insurance, and the bill is $150,000, who pays for it?
If you can’t afford $500/month, how can you afford $150,000?
Oh, well, then, yes, let’s crucify JimRob for that!!
You know, this being his forum and all, farbeit for him to make an opinionated comment like everyone else! >:-(
/sarc
Mitt Romney is the only GOP candidate who can debate the democrats on health care. All the other GOP candidates will be laughed off the planet if they try. Romney is the only one who actually DID something, not just blab blab blab. Romney has a good heart. He tried. It was not perfect but he tried.
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