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Shaking up the Republican primary abortion-style (MUST READ!)
Arkansas News Bureau ^ | November 18, 2007 | David Sanders

Posted on 11/18/2007 6:55:13 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: ImpBill

God bless you too, Greg.

But, Mr. Thompson is on the wrong side of the one issue that this election is really about: The personhood of the unborn...the question of whether our national character is one that builds its entire understanding of the purpose of government around the Declaration principle of protecting the God-given, unalienable rights of all...or if we as a nation are going to continue to be of the same spirit as the terrorists we are fighting in our utter disregard for the rights and prerogatives of ALL of those who are made in the image of the One Who created us.


121 posted on 11/18/2007 11:46:21 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: AFA-Michigan
Sorry, needing a SUPER majority for an Amendment to pass is not going to happen. It didn't happen when the Repubs had control of BOTH houses. It's not going to happen anytime soon. If you wait on an Amendment, MORE unborn will die waiting on the process.

To that end, it's time to change what can be changed to influence change. That means constructionist judges on the SCOTUS to make that change begin.

The objective of overturning RvW is not going to happen with an Amendment, it WILL happen by sending it back to the states where eliminating or writing law that will work for everyone can be instituted.

We want abortion on demand stopped. You and I see different ways to get to that point.

The way through the SCOTUS and ultimately the ballot box will be the winner.

122 posted on 11/18/2007 11:46:33 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: samtheman

Securing the nomination is more important, at this stage, than taking on the beast.

FRed is making a LOT of appearances, and having a LOT of meetings to shore up support and gain momentum against the RumpRanger from NYC!


123 posted on 11/18/2007 11:49:44 AM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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To: cubreporter
"if Fred wants to win he better get out there and show me along with others what he’s about."

My advice to you is don't wait for the MSM do introduce you to Fred Thompson, cause it ain't gonna happen. Like I did with Hunter months before, I went to Thompson's website. Additionally, I read all the Thompson posts here. If you can stomach FNC's adoration for Rudy G, you can see Thompson's commercials there, but I find YouTube easier to take.

I too am sick of all the ugliness that has darkened FreeRepublic. Hillary couldn't do a better job herself.

124 posted on 11/18/2007 11:55:40 AM PST by sweet_diane (Adoption, the beautiful alternative.)
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To: Pistolshot

“Are you saying the trauma of the rape should continue for the unwilling woman who was raped?”

Killing a child who is the very rare result of a rape traumatizes the woman a second time.

This, time, though, you make her a party to the crime.


125 posted on 11/18/2007 11:57:54 AM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Right now it is foolish to put our faith in anything but ourselves. Certainly the Fed is doing nothing.

The closest thing to us is our state houses....

126 posted on 11/18/2007 12:01:55 PM PST by ejonesie22 (ROMNEY HOCKS! (hey, he's spent a lot of his own cash so far...))
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To: EternalVigilance
Like I said, we might just have to disagree about this one. Mr. Thompson has stated that he unequivocally believes life begins at conception. And stated it quite eloquently.

I can do no more than take the man at his word.

All things considered, he is my choice. Thank fully we still have the right to make "our own choices". I respect yours, and in no way will diminish you or your right/ability to make that choice.

Nice to have a pleasant, albeit, disagreeing exchange with you.

/;-)

127 posted on 11/18/2007 12:04:07 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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To: cubreporter
"We depend on Rush. I trust him."

Then why complain that Thompson hasn't made himself known to you if you are waiting to see who Rush is voting for? I saw you believed a ridiculous lie posted here about Thompson thinking he didn't have to campaign cause he already had it sewn up. lol

Silly me, I thought you were seriously looking for info.

128 posted on 11/18/2007 12:06:57 PM PST by sweet_diane (Adoption, the beautiful alternative.)
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To: ejonesie22

Something I wrote a couple of days ago:

What this election is about - The ring-bolt to the chain of your nation’s destiny

No matter how things may look outwardly, we have no choice but to do whatever it takes to assure that America’s Revival succeeds, with God’s help.

On July 5, 1852, Frederick Douglass, who perhaps more than any other man re-lit the fires of liberty, and provided the moral impetus for ending slavery in this country, said:

“The Declaration of Independence is the ring-bolt to the chain of your nation’s destiny...the principles contained in that instrument are saving principles. Stand by those principles, be true to them on all occasions, in all places, against all foes, and at whatever cost.”

Do you understand that our nation’s destiny depends on our adherence to the words of our Founders in the Declaration of Independence?

Here are those principles, written down for us in the founding paragraph of America:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...”

All men are created equal before God.

Our rights to life and liberty come from the One Who made us, not from any man.

Those rights are unalienable. In other words, incapable of being taken or given away.

The very purpose of government is to secure those rights.

And, the people are sovereign, under God.

It’s up to us. To whatever extent these principles are being eroded, no one bears the ultimate responsibility for that except “We the People.”

The founding generation risked everything to implement these timeless truths:

“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

Can we do any less?

The media-anointed so-called “frontrunners” in the current presidential field are completely unchained from the “saving principles” found in the Declaration, for which so many men and women over the centuries sacrificed, even to the point of giving up their own lives.

Overwhelmingly, this current crop of craven politicians has adopted a false “federalism” that claims that states’ rights trump unalienable rights.

The Preamble to our Constitution explains its purpose:

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The practice of abortion violates every clause, every underlying principle, that is contained in our Constitution.

Our children and grandchildren have an equal claim to the Blessings of Liberty.

Are we willing to pay the price required to give it to them? Are we going to allow the pundits, the pollsters, the political consultants, the party gatekeepers, and the Democrat Media to only allow us choices that deny and destroy the very premise of America and of liberty?

No. We cannot.

It’s time for us to take our sovereign power back from the elites and to restore government of, by, and for the people — government that is firmly set on the foundation of reliance upon God, respect for His Laws, and to the principles of the unalienable rights to life and liberty that America was built upon.

EternalVigilance


129 posted on 11/18/2007 12:07:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: ImpBill
"Glad to see a reasoned Hunter supporter posting a reasoned opinion. Thanks!"

dittos!

130 posted on 11/18/2007 12:08:46 PM PST by sweet_diane (Adoption, the beautiful alternative.)
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To: ImpBill
Mr. Thompson has stated that he unequivocally believes life begins at conception.

So does John Kerry.

"I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception." - John F. Kerry

Even Blackmun, the author of Roe, admitted that if the child in the womb were a person, it would therefore be protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

Admitting that the child is a person, and still saying that any individual or state has a right to destroy that person, is worse than Blackmun, actually.

It means that the Constitution, and the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, are meaningless, and that NONE of us is safe.

131 posted on 11/18/2007 12:12:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: SuziQ
Sorry Suzie, but you are wrong. I have no idea who I am going to support, and follow all of the candidates.
132 posted on 11/18/2007 12:26:16 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Pistolshot

Apparently, you didn’t actually read post 103.

To make sure we understand each other, answer this:

Do you oppose a Human Life Amendment, as Fred does?

Or do you simply believe it’s currently unachievable?

There’s a difference.

Once again, why falsely paint it as an either-or choice.

The truly pro-life position is to support both repeal of Roe AND, eventually, a universal guarantee of the Right to Life in all 50 states.

Nothing about being pro-life requires you to pick one or the other.

Only trying to justify Thompson’s position requires you to pick one and dis the other.


133 posted on 11/18/2007 12:43:25 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: cubreporter

Willard. I took the name less trammeled.


134 posted on 11/18/2007 12:49:04 PM PST by steve8714 (The last actor elected POTUS turned out OK.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Roe took abortion out of the democratic process and to end it would take it away from the Supreme Court and return abortion policymaking to the states.

The US Constitution takes "abortion rights" out of federal and states hands in the 5th and 14th Amendments, stating no person shall be...deprived of life without due process of law. The Constitution needs to be upheld or else America's sunk no matter what happens.

135 posted on 11/18/2007 1:09:21 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

So then you advocate that the Federal government handle all murder cases.

Sounds ridiculous to me.


136 posted on 11/18/2007 1:17:00 PM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Politicalmom

No. But if a state is allowing American citizens to be murdered willy-nilly, the national government has a sworn duty, in all three branches, to exercise the power to stop such an abrogation of the Bill of Rights.

Do you believe that the Bill of Rights, the protection of the unalienable rights of all Americans, applies everywhere on American territory, or not?


137 posted on 11/18/2007 1:20:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim 0216

The Constitution either protects all persons, or, in the end, it will protect none.

Great post.


138 posted on 11/18/2007 1:22:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: AFA-Michigan
I believe I have stated repeatedly that getting a HLA through Congress will continue to be impossible.

The best path, and the one that will cost the leat amount of lives yet unborn is to return the issue BACK to the states where the voters through the process of decision at the ballot bbox decide what should and should not be allowable.

And Fred doesn't oppose it, he feel it is an unreachable goal....as I do.

139 posted on 11/18/2007 1:34:40 PM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: EternalVigilance

We elected the wrong man in 1860, from what I can see.


140 posted on 11/18/2007 1:35:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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