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Democrats unable to bring troops home (53-45 vote, Thanks to 4 RINOs for showing their colors)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 11/16/07 | Anne Flaherty - ap

Posted on 11/16/2007 7:47:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Nearly a year after anti-war voters put them in power, congressional Democrats remain unable to pass legislation ordering troops home from Iraq.

Frustrated by Republican roadblocks, Democrats now plan to sit on President Bush's $196 billion request for war spending until next year — pushing the Pentagon toward an accounting nightmare and deepening their conflict with the White House on the war.

"We're going to continue to do the right thing for the American people by having limited accountability for the president and not a blank check," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Senate Republicans on Friday blocked a $50 billion bill by Democrats that would have paid for several months of combat but also would have ordered troop withdrawals from Iraq to begin within 30 days. The measure, narrowly passed this week by the House, also would have set a goal of ending combat in December 2008.

The 53-45 vote was seven votes short of the 60 needed to advance. It came minutes after the Senate rejected a Republican proposal to pay for the Iraq war with no strings attached.

Now, Democratic leaders say they won't send President Bush a war spending bill this year. They calculate the military has enough money to run through mid-February.

Responding to the congressional blockage, Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday signed a memo ordering the Army to begin planning for a series of expected cutbacks, including the layoffs of as many as 100,000 civilian employees and another 100,000 civilian contractors, starting as early as January, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said.

"The memo reflects the urgency of the situation we find ourselves in — we are in a real crisis," Morrell said, noting that layoff notices to some civilian employees would have to be sent as early as mid-December. He decried Congress' refusal thus far to provide the money needed to continue fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, accusing lawmakers of "holding hostage the well-being of our men and women in uniform, and our national security."

The delay will satisfy a Democratic support base that is fiercely anti-war. But it also will give Republicans and the White House ample time to hammer Democrats for leaving for the holidays without funding the troops.

"We ought to get the troops the funding they need to finish the mission without restrictions and without a surrender date," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

At the White House on Friday, deputy press secretary Tony Fratto said the spending gap is unjustified.

"We'd rather see the Department of Defense, the military planners and our troops focusing on military maneuvers rather than accounting maneuvers as they carry out their mission in the field," Fratto said.

Since taking the reins of Congress in January, Democrats have struggled to pass any significant anti-war legislation. Measures that passed along party lines in the House repeatedly sank in the Senate, where Democrats hold a much narrower majority and 60 votes are routinely needed to overcome procedural hurdles.

In May, Republicans agreed not to stand in the way of a $95 billion bill that would have set a timetable for troop withdrawals. Bush rejected the measure and Democrats lacked the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto, as Republicans anticipated.

Democrats eventually stripped the timetable from the bill and sent Bush the money without restrictions on force levels. The move was an unpopular one with many Democratic voters who say Congress should cut off money for the war.

As the year progressed, Democrats hoped for Republican defections. But a drop in violence this fall in Iraq helped to shore up GOP support for the war.

On Friday, only four Republicans joined Democrats in voting for the Iraq measure: Sens. Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

Sen. Christopher Dodd was the lone Democrat opposing it because he said it did not go far enough to end the war. Other Democrats, including Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, said they too opposed the bill as too soft but that they supported advancing debate.

"The only way to end the war is with a firm deadline that is enforceable through funding," said Dodd, D-Conn.

Democrats acknowledge recent progress made by the military in Iraq but contend the security will be short-lived unless the Iraqi government reaches a political settlement.

"We need to do more than say to the Iraqis that our patience has run out and that they need to seize the opportunity that has been given them," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. "Their dawdling will only end when they have no choice."

Republicans on Friday tried to counter with an alternative proposal that would have paid $70 billion toward the war without restrictions. That measure failed by a vote of 45-53, falling 15 short of the 60 needed to advance.

Republicans said there were appalled by Sen. Chuck Schumer's comment, reported by The Associated Press on Thursday, that the Bush administration wouldn't get a "free lunch."

Schumer, D-N.Y., had told reporters that unless Bush accepted the restrictions, the Defense Department would have to eat into its core budget.

"The days of a free lunch are over," he said.

Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan said Schumer's comments were "unbelievable," and Rep. Heather Wilson said the senator should apologize to the troops.

"Sen. Schumer only wants to fund pay, body armor and chow for the troops if he can put conditions on the money so that they cannot do the mission they have been ordered to do," said Wilson, R-N.M.

The Pentagon confirms the military will not run out of money until mid February, after which all Army bases would cease operations.

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AP Military Writer Robert Burns contributed to this report.


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On Friday, only four Republicans joined Democrats in voting for the Iraq measure: Sens. Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

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Only four ..

1 posted on 11/16/2007 7:47:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev. speaks during
a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington in this
Oct. 16, 2007 file photo. (AP Photo/Caleb Jones, File)


2 posted on 11/16/2007 7:48:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
All RINOs. The point is the Democrats do NOT support the troops and instead of rewarding them for a job well done, want to punish them to get back at the President.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 11/16/2007 7:49:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) (R), speaks while Joint Economic Committee Chairman Charles Schumer (D-NY) listens during a news conference to release a new report "exposing the hidden costs of the war on Iraq," in the U.S. Capitol in Washington November 13, 2007. A new study by congressional Democrats says "hidden costs" have driven the price of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to about $1.5 trillion, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday. REUTERS/Molly Riley (UNITED STATES)


4 posted on 11/16/2007 7:49:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

The usual suspects - completely useless RINOs, every single damn one of them.


5 posted on 11/16/2007 7:50:20 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: NormsRevenge
Democrats acknowledge recent progress made by the military in Iraq but contend the security will be short-lived unless the Iraqi government reaches a political settlement.

This really is rich, coming as it does from this loser of a Congress peopled by the stupidest, most inept, do-nothing buffoons ever seated in the House and Senate. Pot, meet kettle.

6 posted on 11/16/2007 7:51:53 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: NormsRevenge

What to do? The anti-war folks apparently have sufficient influence to get these RINOs to vote as they want them to.


7 posted on 11/16/2007 7:52:22 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: hsalaw
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The party of the quick fix wants Iraqis to reach a political settlement but it can't manage to fund the federal government.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 11/16/2007 7:53:31 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

HA! Take THAT Dingy. And take a hint. This is the n-th time the Rats have tried to pull this off, and NOTHING has changed! Give it up already. I’m reminded of the scenario of the little kid who touches the hot stove, gets a burn, and goes back and touches it again. THey don’t learn. The only good thing coming from this is the fact that they are making major fools of themselves and pushing their approval ratings into single digits.


9 posted on 11/16/2007 7:57:24 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: popdonnelly

make sure they don’t grow old and grey in office for starters.. support and work to get conservatives elected when possible.. I can’t believe some states’ electorates are that messed up in the head, but then again.. look at the genepool.. rapidly losing its viability as global warming rages. ;-)


10 posted on 11/16/2007 7:57:26 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Interesting. I’ve often pointed out that good RINOs obey the leadership, and vote with the party when the leaders tell them their vote is needed on critical bills.

Otherwise, the leaders let them vote as they like, to please their liberal constituents and get re-elected. Usually Collins and Snowe are good RINOs, about as good as you could get in Maine, and they come through in the clinch, unlike someone like Lincoln Chaffee, who defied the leadership and scuttled several important bills by one vote.

I’m wondering what the story was here. I know that Mainiacs seem to be very anti-war at the moment, for whatever reason. Did the leaders let them vote this way, because it doesn’t matter?

If you do the numbers, the Dems won, 53-45. If all four Republicans had voted the other way, it would have been 49-49.

Hmm. Maybe Hagel refused to play along no matter what, so they told Snowe and Collins, OK, you’d might as well please your constituents on this one, and the President will veto it.

Or maybe one of the missing two would have shown up to vote if it was a tie?

Who knows. Still, it’s certainly very annoying that Americans support this kind of behavior from their representatives, and that Republicans won’t line up with the party.


11 posted on 11/16/2007 7:58:10 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge
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12 posted on 11/16/2007 7:58:24 PM PST by engrpat
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To: NormsRevenge

The Pentagon confirms the military will not run out of money until mid February, after which all Army bases would cease operations

As the Commander In Chief I would order an immediate audit of the funds needed for current operations, and realizing we would in fact be running out of money this month, would start the immediate lay off of personnel and closing of military bases, making sure to Address the American public as to why this action is being taken, I wish the current holder of that office would play hardball, still trying to get along.


13 posted on 11/16/2007 7:58:35 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: NormsRevenge
Nearly a year after anti-war voters put them in power, congressional Democrats

Sigh. Anyone paying attention remembers that it was weak Republicans defeated by conservative-sounding Democrats who put the Democratic Party in power in 2006.

14 posted on 11/16/2007 8:00:30 PM PST by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am sure that osama bin laden will be happy that his favored party is trying to do something about the war.


15 posted on 11/16/2007 8:02:41 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Four who need to go! ! ! ! !


16 posted on 11/16/2007 8:03:46 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: NormsRevenge
Army to begin planning for a series of expected cutbacks, including the layoffs of as many as 100,000 civilian employees and another 100,000 civilian contractors, starting as early as January

I wonder how many of these voters used to be Democrats?

17 posted on 11/16/2007 8:03:49 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Begin rant:

Where can I find the list of Senators and Representatives that voted to give the President authorization to go to war?

Where can I find the list of Congress critters who voted for said Resolution?

The merging of those two lists will reveal some hypocrites, some patriots, and some patsies.

The Executive branch prosecutes wars, not the Legislative branch. And we are at war.

Imho, some in the House, and Senate should be prosecuted for treason. I find trouble in saying those words, but there is much evidence that the Justice department ignores. Not to mention the NYT...

End rant.

5.56mm

18 posted on 11/16/2007 8:06:28 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: popdonnelly

Pretty simple. Support who ever runs against them.
Be they R or D. ( As a Conservative voice).

Do Not give money to the RNC, tell them why.
Call the Senator’s Office. Tell them what your options were.
Options sucked.
You hope they Lose no matter what.

They’ll never believe you, til somebody’s out of a job.


19 posted on 11/16/2007 8:07:24 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’d like to see Smith and Hagel take a wide stance on this issue.


20 posted on 11/16/2007 8:10:06 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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