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Poll: Education, Income Segregates Blacks (from each other)
NPR's Morning Edition ^ | November 14, 2007 | Steve Inskeep and Juan Williams

Posted on 11/16/2007 7:39:57 PM PST by flowerplough

...This leads to what may be the most important finding in the poll: 53 percent of black Americans now agree that "blacks who can't get ahead are mostly responsible for their own condition."

White America (71 percent) and Hispanic America (59 percent) agree that racism, while still a factor in American life, is not the principal force keeping poor black people in poverty. The more oppressive force, they seem to be saying, is a lack of strong families and the prevalence of values that do not emphasize education, hard work and perseverance.

It is important to note that this is not some Pollyannaish view that ignores the reality of racism. Sixty-eight percent of blacks say they deal with racial discrimination today in at least two of the categories of experience cited in the poll: such as applying for jobs, buying a house, renting an apartment, applying for college, shopping or dining out.

But even with that hard-edged view of how often they have to deal with discrimination, a majority of black people say that regardless of the race of an individual, a black person can make it in America.

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


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1 posted on 11/16/2007 7:39:58 PM PST by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

Education and Income segregates Whites, too.


2 posted on 11/16/2007 7:46:17 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: flowerplough

a black person can make it in America.
Only if that is their wish, goal, objective.


3 posted on 11/16/2007 7:48:46 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: flowerplough

70% of young blacks grow up in a single parent houshold.

THAT’s the biggest single determining factor that predicts success or failure.


4 posted on 11/16/2007 7:49:09 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: basil
Education and Income segregates Whites, too.

No kidding.

5 posted on 11/16/2007 8:59:24 PM PST by Jorge
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To: flowerplough

Why is it that the Black man cannot help but
charge racism is his the reason for his plight?


6 posted on 11/16/2007 9:07:29 PM PST by ChiMark
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To: flowerplough

Wow. Incredible. Maybe there’s hope.


7 posted on 11/16/2007 9:08:12 PM PST by scg
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To: Balding_Eagle
Here is Frederick Douglass in his autobiography "My Bondage My Freedom" on the family and slavery:

A person of some consequence here in the north, sometimes designated father, is literally abolished in slave law and slave practice. It is only once in a while that an exception is found to this statement. . . .

I say nothing of father, for he is shrouded in a mystery I have never been able to penetrate. Slavery does away with fathers, as it does away with families. Slavery has no use for either fathers or families, and its laws do not recognize their existence in the social arrangements of the plantation. When they do exist, they are not the outgrowths of slavery, but are antagonistic to that system. The order of civilization is reversed here.

As Thomas Sowell has often written, the black family was making strides in the first few generations after emancipation, and overcoming Jim Crow. Seeing this the illiberal Democrats decided to keep the black man down with there anti-family no-fault divorce legislation, anti-family welfare programs, free sex revolution, abortion, and to put the final nail in the coffin, gay marriage.

Here is a partial list of Plaintiffs in Massachusettes gay marriage decision:

The plaintiffs are fourteen individuals from five Massachusetts counties. As of April 11, 2001, the date they filed their complaint, the plaintiffs Gloria Bailey, sixty years old, and Linda Davies, fifty-five years old, had been in a committed relationship for thirty years; the plaintiffs Maureen Brodoff, forty-nine years old, and Ellen Wade, fifty-two years old, had been in a committed relationship for twenty years and lived with their twelve year old daughter; the plaintiffs Hillary Goodridge, forty-four years old, and Julie Goodridge, forty-three years old, had been in a committed relationship for thirteen years and lived with their five year old daughter;

Fathers? - shrouded in mystery.

8 posted on 11/16/2007 9:15:04 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: flowerplough
Here is Frederick Douglass in his autobiography "My Bondage My Freedom" on the family and slavery:

A person of some consequence here in the north, sometimes designated father, is literally abolished in slave law and slave practice. It is only once in a while that an exception is found to this statement. . . .

I say nothing of father, for he is shrouded in a mystery I have never been able to penetrate. Slavery does away with fathers, as it does away with families. Slavery has no use for either fathers or families, and its laws do not recognize their existence in the social arrangements of the plantation. When they do exist, they are not the outgrowths of slavery, but are antagonistic to that system. The order of civilization is reversed here.

As Thomas Sowell has often written, the black family was making strides in the first few generations after emancipation, and overcoming Jim Crow. Seeing this the illiberal Democrats decided to keep the black man down with there anti-family no-fault divorce legislation, anti-family welfare programs, free sex revolution, abortion, and to put the final nail in the coffin, gay marriage.

Here is a partial list of Plaintiffs in Massachusettes gay marriage decision: The plaintiffs are fourteen individuals from five Massachusetts counties. As of April 11, 2001, the date they filed their complaint, the plaintiffs Gloria Bailey, sixty years old, and Linda Davies, fifty-five years old, had been in a committed relationship for thirty years; the plaintiffs Maureen Brodoff, forty-nine years old, and Ellen Wade, fifty-two years old, had been in a committed relationship for twenty years and lived with their twelve year old daughter; the plaintiffs Hillary Goodridge, forty-four years old, and Julie Goodridge, forty-three years old, had been in a committed relationship for thirteen years and lived with their five year old daughter;

Fathers? - shrouded in mystery.

Why should we be surprised though? Here is Marx on the family:

The crude latent slavery of the family is the first property, corresponding perfectly to what economists call the power of disposing of the labour power of others. Division of labour and private property are identical expressions, one referring to activity, the other to the products of activity. They imply a contradiction between the interests of one individual or family and the communal interest.

Out of this contradiction the community takes independent form as the State, divorced from the real interests of individuals. It follows that all struggles within the State of democracy, aristocracy, monarchy, enfranchisement etc are illusory forms. The real struggle is between different classes to gain dominion in order to represent its interest as an illusion of the general interest.

As long as the division of labour exists, each man has an exclusive sphere of activity forced on him, from which he cannot escape, be it as hunter, herdsman or essayist. In communist society nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity; society regulates production and thus makes it possible for me to hunt in the morning, rear cattle in the evening, debate in the evening, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, herdsman or critic.

This fixation of social activity arises through the co-operation of individuals, determined by the division of labour, appears to them as an alien force the origin and goal of which they are ignorant. How otherwise could property have a history at all, to so have proceeded from parcellation to centralisation? Or how is it that trade, nothing more than the exchange of products, has come to rule the world through supply and demand? With the overthrow of the existing state of society by the communist revolution (of which more later) and the abolition of private property this world market power will be dissolved; and the liberation of each single individual accomplished.

9 posted on 11/16/2007 9:41:13 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: flowerplough
This is very good news. It seems to me to correspond to what I see in my community. When I consider the people I meet in my church community or among fellow parents of Boy Scouts, there is a level of ease and commaraderie among black and white adults that didn't exist 15 or 20 years ago. We talk about the sorts of middle class concerns that connect us with other parents, and the racial tensions that used to be prevalent are becoming largely a thing of the past. I can talk to a black mother about her daughter's interracial dating and learn how it affects her family without feeling awkward about the conversation. I find this refreshing, and a sign of good things evolving in America.

Poor and distressed minority families are another matter altogether. These poor inner-city communities are a source of trouble for all of us - most of all for those who live in them. Being in a Philadelphia suburb, we're painfully aware of the terrible statistics for black on black murder and other crimes. There is a lot of work to be done here, and ongoing handouts just aren't getting the job done.

10 posted on 11/16/2007 10:44:03 PM PST by Think free or die
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...This leads to what may be the most important finding in the poll: 53 percent of black Americans now agree that "blacks who can't get ahead are mostly responsible for their own condition."

11 posted on 11/16/2007 10:56:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 15, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ChiMark
"Why is it that the Black man cannot help but charge racism is his the reason for his plight?"

It is because racism is largely responsible for his plight. But it is the racism of elitist democRat intellectuals, using government programs to trap them in a lifetime cycle of dependence (and in the democRat voting block).

12 posted on 11/17/2007 6:12:19 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: flowerplough
This leads to what may be the most important finding in the poll: 53 percent of black Americans now agree that "blacks who can't get ahead are mostly responsible for their own condition."

Whoa! That is amazing, but not surprising. The more blacks make it to the middle class, the more they can see that it is they themselves who can best direct their futures.

13 posted on 11/17/2007 2:06:01 PM PST by SuziQ
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