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What Saul Alinsky rules for radicals did Hillary use from her Thesis in last nights debate?
11/16/07

Posted on 11/16/2007 7:53:16 AM PST by april15Bendovr

Hillary Thesis

"Wellesley College, “There is Only the Fight.” It praises the work of radical activist Saul Alinsky, a man who epitomized a self-interested no-holds barred campaign style that Hillary has emulated in later years. Clinton’s savvy-but-ruthless politics, including the “politics of personal destruction” she so often condemns but more often practices, seem rooted in Alinsky’s famous rules for radicals." Quote from Amanda B. Carpenter

What leftist Saul Alinsky rules for radicals did Hillary use from her Thesis in yesterdays Las Vegas debate?

Here are Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people. The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”


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KEYWORDS: alinsky; hillary; saulalinsky; thesis; wellesley
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To: april15Bendovr

He should have smacked her!......


21 posted on 11/16/2007 9:32:53 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: KC_Conspirator

>>Saul Alinsky ‘Rules for Radicals’ is a book that expounds deceit in the lust for power. Its bad for American politics, government, and culture. Its a book that liberals love.

R4R needs to be read by conservatives for two reasons:

1) It helps them understand precisely what they are up against with Slick Hillie and the liberals. It makes it easier for conservatives to contextualize what they are looking at, as well as to predict liberals next moves.

2) Once you get past Alinsky’s crooked means/ends rationalizations, he makes a number of points that apply to any effort to organize any group. These can be described as the-knee-bone-is-connected-to-the-thigh-bone observations. All leaders should understand them to maximize their effectiveness. Conservatives can be hurt only if they are too stupid to cull the useful from the corrupt.


22 posted on 11/16/2007 9:37:25 AM PST by Psychic Dice (ArtOfPsychicDice.com)
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To: Psychic Dice

I do agree that conservatives need to read this to get an idea on how the left organizes and how they attack.


23 posted on 11/16/2007 10:00:45 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: april15Bendovr

>>What happens when you mix Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals with Karl Marx Communist manifesto? Does this sound more like Hillary?

I don’t believe that Slick Hillie is any more committed to socialism than Slick Willie is to monogamy. She will use whichever constituency she needs to to reach up to the presidency just has he will to reach under a skirt.

Wouldn’t put anything on your list past her.


24 posted on 11/16/2007 2:16:59 PM PST by Psychic Dice (ArtOfPsychicDice.com)
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To: Psychic Dice

Thank you for your knowledge on Alinsky. This is a good example of knowing thy enemy. This is the DNC playbook wide open.


25 posted on 11/16/2007 3:05:32 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: All

The other point about Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals is how the media collaborates with Hillary in lockstep.

CNN feeding questions to Hillary is a good example as I have learned this evening from the Drudgereport.

Student claims CNN forced her to ask frilly question...

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/diamond_v_pearl_student_blasts_1.php

The media is going to play a huge part of getting Hillary elected and I believe they unite using this Rules for Radicals strategy lovingly together.


26 posted on 11/16/2007 9:10:52 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: KC_Conspirator; april15Bendovr; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Liz; Seadog Bytes
Saul Alinsky 'Rules for Radicals' is a book that expounds deceit in the lust for power.


27 posted on 11/16/2007 9:27:22 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: coffee260; All

Another FR example of how the mainstream media could collaborate with Hillary around the Rules for Radicals.

CNN Pre-Plann(T)ed & Censored Every Question & Questioner at Dem Debate(?)!
Compilation of Sources ^ | 11/17/2007 | Coffee260

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927189/posts


28 posted on 11/17/2007 3:59:21 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: KC_Conspirator

A practical application can be gleaned by googling “Delphi Technique”; which is used by business, academia, local, state and federal governments to effect a foregone conclusion and give the illusion of public input and democratic representation.

Not one in a thousand has a clue what’s going on in this country for almost a century. If you understand this, you’ll understand a lot. Good luck!


29 posted on 11/17/2007 4:05:55 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

*ping*


30 posted on 11/18/2007 10:27:34 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US; All

Another FReeper example of how the media will help Hillary with her Rules for Radicals.

**CNN’s six “undecided voters” were all Democratic operatives**
Directorblue ^ | November 17, 2007 | Doug Ross

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927565/posts


31 posted on 11/18/2007 12:16:10 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Syncro

Ping to post #31


32 posted on 11/18/2007 12:24:08 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr

KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE,

THIS

http://www.worldparliamentgov.net/

IS WHERE HITLERY/ SHRILLERY/ CHILLERY AND HER HANDLERS & GOONS ARE HEADED AS FAST AS THEY CAN COERCE THE GOLBAL POPULATION INTO IT.


33 posted on 11/18/2007 12:26:10 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

MEANT to ping All to this important traitorous website:

http://www.worldparliamentgov.net/

PLEASE let it motivate you to your best efforts to keep Shrillery And Rudy away from the White House.


34 posted on 11/18/2007 12:27:51 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; All

oooops trying the 3rd time

MEANT to ping All to this important traitorous website:

http://www.worldparliamentgov.net/

PLEASE let it motivate you to your best efforts to keep Shrillery And Rudy away from the White House.


35 posted on 11/18/2007 12:28:15 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Sorta reminds me of the plan by Grenville Clark early on in the UNs’ history, for world disarmament. Eventually, it was envisioned, only the police and UN sanctioned military forces would have firearms. Obviously they miscalculated somewhere along the line.


36 posted on 11/18/2007 1:19:03 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Sacajaweau

Yes.


37 posted on 11/18/2007 1:21:36 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Freedom4US

THey’ve adjusted lots of things along the way.

HOWEVER,

They have

NOT given up.

And 80% or so of the goals I read of theirs in 1965 have already been achieved or mostly achieved.

They are well on their way.

Thankfully, As Scripture indicates, their reign will be a short one.


38 posted on 11/18/2007 2:01:26 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Might you list the 20 percent that haven’t?


39 posted on 11/20/2007 12:32:27 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US; All

THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF PONDERING.

Those docs are not readily available even at NAU given the change in regimes there.

My gestalt sense of it is that it’s merely degree . . .

That is, the world government is not FORMALLY in place.

The world court is not FORMALLY fully in place.

The world military force of the world government is not FORMALLY in place.

The population reduction has not been wholesale implemented.

I think those are the sorts of areas where the 20% not fulfilled would lie.


40 posted on 11/20/2007 12:52:15 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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