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CDC: New Respiratory Bug Has Killed 10
breitbart/AP ^ | 11/15/2007 | MIKE STOBBE

Posted on 11/15/2007 12:07:57 PM PST by steve86

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To: Sherman Logan
I just finished an excellent book about the 1918/19 epidemic. My hair still hasn’t uncurled.

What's the title/author? Sounds like a good read.

21 posted on 11/15/2007 1:26:49 PM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: steve86
The thing is we get this type of thing over and over and over again. It's frankly chicken little'ish. So I wouldn't get bent out of shape over a post like that....

Go here and read:

http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html

22 posted on 11/15/2007 1:29:38 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is darker than the devil's riding boots..............)
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To: iceskater

This looks like it is related to people living under stress in close quarters with questionable sanitation practices. Nasty bugs hit places like bootcamps and dorms. Every year, meningitis hits at least a couple college dorms.


23 posted on 11/15/2007 1:56:26 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Sherman Logan

My boss in an infectious disease specialist. He says that we won’t be able to handle anything like 1918/19. There aren’t enough respirators in the country to deal with all the pulmonary complications much less negative pressure isolation rooms.

It will happen again. We won’t be much better prepared for it now than in 1918-19. And people will point fingers, “why didn’t you warn us when the first 10 people died.”


24 posted on 11/15/2007 2:00:17 PM PST by iceskater (Everyone has the right to be stupid....some people just abuse the priviledge)
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To: Sherman Logan

My boss in an infectious disease specialist. He says that we won’t be able to handle anything like 1918/19. There aren’t enough respirators in the country to deal with all the pulmonary complications much less negative pressure isolation rooms.

It will happen again. We won’t be much better prepared for it now than in 1918-19. And people will point fingers, “why didn’t you warn us when the first 10 people died.”


25 posted on 11/15/2007 2:01:42 PM PST by iceskater (Everyone has the right to be stupid....some people just abuse the priviledge)
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To: iceskater

Sorry for the double post - my computer seems to have the hiccups.


26 posted on 11/15/2007 2:02:21 PM PST by iceskater (Everyone has the right to be stupid....some people just abuse the priviledge)
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To: Judith Anne
I thought the common cold was a coronavirus...

Actually it's the rhinovirus that's usually implicated. There are numerous exceptions because "common cold" is such a generic description.

The article refers to young, healthy people as being affected which brings to mind the horrors of 1919, but in fact the 10 deaths (so far) appear all to have occurred in people with some sort of immune compromise. This would be a good one to keep a sharp eye on, but no panic yet. IMHO, of course.

27 posted on 11/15/2007 2:05:08 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: scan59

I’m a little embarassed to admit it, but I don’t remember. I read so many books I often don’t remember titles or authors.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 2:06:59 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: steve86
There is no cure for the common cold. All you can do is wait it out.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

29 posted on 11/15/2007 2:06:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

ping


30 posted on 11/15/2007 2:09:27 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: iceskater

You are exactly right.

A contributing factor in the 1919 epidemic is that most of the medical personnel came down with the disease themselves. While sterile methods might reduce this in a modern epidemic, it would probably not be enough to help without a functional vaccine.

In the long run, it’s not a good idea to bet against viruses and bacteria. They’ve been around a lot longer than people and in a race between their evolutionary strategies and our technology, in the long term put your money on the germs.

Interestingly, even the 1919 epidemic didn’t come close to some of the great epidemics of the past for percentage of the population killed. We really don’t have a clue about how drastically this can affect society.


31 posted on 11/15/2007 2:12:07 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Judith Anne; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; Battle Axe
I thought the common cold was a coronavirus...I could be wrong...I’m just thinking that SARS was a coronavirus. I’m not sure how an adenovirus and a coronavirus differ...

IIRC, most "colds" are caused by strain of either adenovirus or rhinovirus. There is or was someone on this forum who claimed to be a virologist, but I forget the screenname.

I couldn't say much about viruses more than they can be either DNA or RNA, single or double stranded, usually covered by an an assortment of glycoproteins that depend on obligate intracellular parasitism.

As far as taxonamy goes, it appears to me that adenovirus or rhinovirus are the name of the genus, and strain is used for the name of the species. Any corrections will be appreciated.

32 posted on 11/15/2007 2:21:45 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem; Kelly_2000

I think it was Kelly2000, iirc, she was working on her doctorate, again iirc.


33 posted on 11/15/2007 2:23:55 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Squantos

Thanks for the ping. I’ll be linking it soon. See comment# 33.


34 posted on 11/15/2007 2:26:51 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Squantos

Drat, see comment# 32.


35 posted on 11/15/2007 2:29:43 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: steve86

Interesting. My son was at Lackland from the middle of February till April. Said he was sick for the first 4 weeks he was there.

I thought he was exaggerating.


36 posted on 11/15/2007 2:49:01 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: steve86

I have that illness right now. Just got off the phone after calling the Doctors office.

She said it has been around for about two years.

What I needed was bed rest, aspirin and fluids.

She said it has been going around for about two years.

So...after I post this I will be back in bed.


37 posted on 11/15/2007 3:40:24 PM PST by joyce11111
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To: neverdem

We never get colds/flu.

But this year due to I am guessing both of us having health problems and only getting out to get fresh veggies/fruit every two weeks we have come home with a bug everytime.

Same story all over our small rural cut off from the big world community.

Almost if something is laying dormant in us and coming back.

Started out in the bones as in every injury and joint then the next time it was a shoulders/sinus then a gastro/sinus now we both are down with head colds.

This is over just a 2 month span.

Our friends who have more serious health issues get it worse like down in the lungs. I have a feeling the fact that they have pre existing illness and smoke may be what allows the bug to go in to bronchitis and or pneumonia.

So that is all I know from personal exp. never get sick and this year started in Oct and have not been well.

Also we got our usual flu shot but because we got it so early the Doc says we will need another one in the spring do to the longer flu seasons, we are not going to no thanks.

Also we have the last two times went grocery shopping at midnight when no families (school kids) are out.

Being a health careprovider 28yrs I am well aware of hand washing and all the abc of preventative care.

Having trach care to do coughing is essential so I might remind all ya’ll if you have a cough with normal breathing it is a GOOD thing, like sneezing it is the body’s way of clearing secreations.

Unlike the rest of you we are able to take the time to rest, drink tons of liqued and one thing I make the quad son do is get up twice a day and sit in his chair to work them lungs when he has a bug in the resp. system.

I like to use a child’s dose daily year around of Mucinex even though he is an adult and it really helps bring up the lung fossils (deep junk) related to his under pre existing health issues.

No more classes at OSU with college kids where we are packed in like sardines (really kids sitting on the floor it is so crowded).

We are now getting lectures on DVD. However that is due to the decline in his over all health this last year.


38 posted on 11/15/2007 4:22:32 PM PST by Global2010
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To: Global2010

I hope you and your family get well.


39 posted on 11/15/2007 5:44:42 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Not to mention how folks Globe Trot.


40 posted on 11/15/2007 5:52:22 PM PST by Global2010
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