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FBI raids Liberty Dollar office-confiscates Ron Paul Dollars
http://www.rabidquill.com/ ^ | Nov 15, 2007 | "BJT"

Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder

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Disney Dollars?


61 posted on 11/15/2007 8:15:48 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: jrooney

Spoken like a true statist . . . well done!


62 posted on 11/15/2007 8:15:48 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: lormand
Word of the day?

A wholly accurate description of the italicized portion excerpted. ;)

63 posted on 11/15/2007 8:15:54 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: mnehrling

Yes, true. That might have run afoul of various securities laws.


64 posted on 11/15/2007 8:16:03 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This post sold by weight, not volume. Content may have settled during shipment.)
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To: untenured
People in a lot of towns (Ithaca NY, for one) commonly introduce paper notes that can to be used as money within the town, to encourage people to shop locally. Is that illegal too?

Everything is illegal by default until the government tells you it's not, it seems.
65 posted on 11/15/2007 8:16:08 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Petronski

LOL


66 posted on 11/15/2007 8:16:34 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: mnehrling; Dead Corpse
The problem with the paper bills is you have to trust that whomever runs the Liberty Dollar will honor their printed gold or silver value.

No different than gift cards (which are really private currency.)

67 posted on 11/15/2007 8:16:45 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga

killing of David Koresh’s followers by the FBI was about drugs and child abuse

LOL. That’s harsh.


68 posted on 11/15/2007 8:16:49 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: mnehrling
The problem with the paper bills is you have to trust that whomever runs the Liberty Dollar will honor their printed gold or silver value.

And you trust the FedGov more with their debt backed reserve notes?

I would prefer a commodity based currency, but do not confuse me with a "gold bug" or a Ron Paul supporter.

I do not approve of the actions of the FBI here. Unless they have verifiable proof that there was in fact fraud being committed here, this just sounds like more "FedGov on a fishing expedition" type crap.

69 posted on 11/15/2007 8:16:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD...

No crime commited and yet the very next sentence admits they are minting currency. I dunno, I woulda thunk the gubmint got testy since they are the only one authorized to mint currency.

70 posted on 11/15/2007 8:17:34 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: wastedyears

Acts 3:6
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.


71 posted on 11/15/2007 8:17:44 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: wideawake

I’m checking the Evansville papers online. Nothing yet. But they were warned in 2006 by the FBI, so the story seems pretty plausible.


72 posted on 11/15/2007 8:17:48 AM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio

We need another Amendment apparently. Establish a “seperation of economy and State”....


73 posted on 11/15/2007 8:17:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I wonder if that one day $4 million that Ron Paul took from fans on the Internet were Liberty dollars. That would be rich.
74 posted on 11/15/2007 8:17:59 AM PST by CHEE (ha)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

THAT would make a GREAT Screen Name!...................


75 posted on 11/15/2007 8:18:42 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: mnehrling

I posted this later. I’m glad you did too.

The inclusion of paper money is very problematic IMO. What would it be backed by? If someone presented some of that to me for payment, I’d hand it right back to them. It isn’t legal tender.

Special chits for making purchases are generally produced by businesses to induce sales. They issue them and they honor them, but they aren’t claiming them to be money. Nobody else will honor them.

In this instance Paul seems to claim these are even better than U.S. currency. Ron, I may think our currency is somewhat problematic, but that being said I think someone would have to be absolutely nuts to think yours were more reliable.

I may be as wrong as I can be, but it looks to me like Ron Paul is getting nuttier by the minute.


76 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: from occupied ga
"Then you think that any merchant that issues a gift card should be marched across the border to North Korea too. What a maroon."

Does the gift card undermine America's fight against our enemies?

Idiot!

77 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:05 AM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: Petronski
Bernard von NotHaus

Doesn't that translate to Bernie of the Nuthouse?

78 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:21 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: from occupied ga

Except a gift card holder must hold assets and honor the exchange value of the card’s terms. The issuer of the Liberty Dollar, for example, is making the claim that the paper gold and silver certificates are backed up by their hard asset. If they don’t have the hard assets to back up the value of the currency(sic) they are selling, they run afoul of securities laws. Unlike a gift certificate at a store, however, the claims they are making put them more on the level of banking regulations, and thusly, would have an entire larger set of regulations they must meet.


79 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:46 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Counterfeiting money is a crime.. Only a government can authorize the making of legal tender.. Yes I know that once upon a time individuals and banks could make their own money with out our nations permission to do so.. but that has not been the case since Alexander Hammilton fought duels.

Huge numbers of people got ripped off so we formed a National Bank and only the Federal Reserve bank can legally issue money.

The days when coins made out of metals of questionalble value by individuals and private firms could legally be used as currency or even collectables are long gone.

I think it was a cocain pusher who tried to claim that he was just a drug store like any of the other big drug store... except he was more profitable. His rear end ended up in prison too. YOu can’t sell drugs with out a license and a prescription from a registered doctor.

To make coins in the USA you have to find a nation that will claim them as currency and then designate you as one of the mamufacturers of their coins. Otherwise you are breaking the law like any other counterfeiter.

You will note that when ever you see some private “Mint” selling collectable coins on TV they always say the nation that accepts their “coins” as legal tender. That nation is usually a tiny one in Africa or Asia. They have to have a sponsoring nation or they would find the FBI calling on them too.

In no nation can one break the law because they don’t like it. The option in a free country is to convince enough people of the rightness of your cause so they cause the goverment to change the law.

The Ron Paul people are criminals and will end up where all criminals end up .. in prison.


80 posted on 11/15/2007 8:20:05 AM PST by Common Tator
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