Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.
No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.
From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.
For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.
We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.
But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.
This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.
The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.
I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.
Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.
Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.
Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!
If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php
Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.
Bernard von NotHaus
I am sorry the facts here are so emotionally upsetting to you. That does not give you an excuse for your current string of childish screaming and ranting. Grow up.
No, I think it’s Homeless Bernie...:-)
You may have caught this one, I won’t be surprised if this is a fake story. The question, of course, by who and why. And isn’t it amazing that whenever these Paul nutcases turn up, (apologies to Paul supporters, I know the candidate is ignorant of and not responsible for his support) there’s a neonazi/white supremecist connection.
I smell a photoshop...
Oh give me a break. They’ve been in operation for nearly 10 years, and under federal scrutiny for that entire time, don’t you think that if this 18 USC 486 notion carried any weight they would have been shut down nine and a half years ago and been done with their five-year prison hitch four years ago?
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/faqs/disclaimer.htm
Title 26 requires that “all firearms” be registered with the Secretary of the Treasury. Just as the implications of this requirement depend on the meaning of the term “firearm,” the implications of 18 USC 486 depend on “intent” and the meaning of the phrase “current money.”
Very good! "Fake, but accurate! "--- Dan Rather, HDNet -viewership 3 and counting.
They’re certainly involved in many of the controversies. And being what they are, I could see (pure speculation) how they could conjure up a story about an FBI raid in order to abscond with whatever bullion they may actually have.
OTOH, I could also see how they might take advantage of Ron Paul contribution efforts to make a little money on the side from such activity.
Again, just speculation.
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If you can point to an example of “childish screaming and ranting” posted by me, I’d be interested to see it.
It may very well be legal tender. However, it is not intended to be used as currency.
The US government has the constitutional authority to mint coins and regulate currency, and they have done so.
You can argue that our paper money system is unconstitutional because the constitution specifically says "to coin money".
However, I have a hard time understanding how people who claim to be constitutionalists suggest that the government can't stop people from overtly trying to undermine the value of their currency by introducing their own and suggesting it be used in place of the dollar.
oh thats right Government power grabs are good sometimes..
It's right next door to this one:
Hee, hee, hee! Maybe the noob is the new manager of the recently renamed Liberty Store.
Actually, it's unconstitutional because no state shall make any thing other than gold or silver coin tender in payment of debts, but that's neither here nor there.
Alternative currencies are common across the nation. I posted a few examples earlier in this thread - Ithaca Hours, Bay City Downtown Dollars, and my nearby city of Nashua has its own Downtown Dollars.
The idea is to keep value circulating in the community, instead of being hoovered up into international banks and stripped out of the community.
If the feds are taking the position that it's illegal to barter if shiny bits of gold or silver are involved, then they've bitten off quite a chunk for themselves.
Recently they tried to prosecute someone for tax evasion for paying their employees in the uncirculated coinage based on the government-approved face value. They can't seem to make up their minds, though I guess it's understandable because it's the government.
Thank you, Comrade Stalin.
“Only freakin morons think it is okay for any nut group to print their own currency for circulation. I am glad these peaceniks have had their currency taken and they are being monitored”
I would think it would be illegal to coin anything that sas ‘dolar’ on it but a coin that simply noted its bullion weight should be OK, just as selling a ton of copper is legal.
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