FBI raids Liberty Dollar office-confiscates Ron Paul Dollars

http://www.rabidquill.com/ ^ | Nov 15, 2007 | "BJT"

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.

No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.

From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

[50mm]

Welcome to FR, RvR. It’s probably not wise to imply Freepers are idiots in your first post.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

I had no idea it would go this far, LOL. By the way...are you logged in?

[wideawake]

There are cost to making and managing such an endevour and because it is backed with precious metal in a few years it will be worth far more than 68cents..

Then it's not a currency - it's an investment vehicle run by someone who is pretending to be a retailer but who is actually running a unlicensed commodities brokerage using illegal advertising.

[mvpel]

CoinInflation.com

$0.0564244 is the melt value for the 2000-2007 Sacagawea golden dollar on November 15, 2007.

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I think I'd rather have a $20 coin with $15 worth of intrinsic value than a $1 coin with five and a half cents worth of intrinsic value. How about you?

[50mm]

Sorry RR, I meant to say you shouldn't imply Freepers are fools in your first post.

[ovrtaxt]

MY lousy deal?

Don’t bring me into this. Personally, I prefer Euros right now. Or actual gold.

[mvpel]

I’d like to see that court case “Judge, the defendant in this case defamed our client, by falsely claiming that they had NOT been charged with a crime, when in fact they WERE charged and guilty of that crime.”

Just because a bunch of Feds kick in your door and take all your stuff doesn't mean you've been found guilty of a crime.

Johnnie was claiming that the FBI raid never happened and that it's just a big ruse to allow vonNothaus to abscond with all the money and bullion.

Try to keep up.

[N3WBI3]

The warehouse receipt is for hard metal they hold for you, think us silver certificate..

[ejonesie22]

Not soon enough it appears...

Oh well back to the show...

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[lormand]

Done :)

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

It appears to be unlocked again. ;)

[mvpel]

Evansville Courier & Press: Liberty Dollar Office Raided

[Palladin]

Ron Paul and his followers are such kooks. They should buy an island someplace and establish their own kooky government.

[George W. Bush]

I provided a news story to Admin Mod.

Liberty Dollar office raided : Local News : Evansville Courier Press

[SJackson]

It appears mostly at pro-Paul sites, but the Evansville Courier did pick the story up. It has an FBI contact, who wouldn't comment, but most of the info seems to be from the EMail. A lot of questions to be answered.

Liberty Dollar office raided Staff report
Originally published 01:42 p.m., November 15, 2007

The future of an Evansville-based company that produces a "private voluntary barter currency" known as the Liberty Dollar is in question after federal agents raided the facility this week, according to an e-mail sent by its founder.

Federal officials reportedly raided the group's headquarters, located in a strip mall at 225 N. Stockwell Road, early Wednesday morning and seized documents and precious metals.

FBI Agent Wendy Osborne, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Indianapolis office, directed all questions on the raid to the Western District of North Carolina U.S. Attorney's Office. A spokeswoman there said she had no information on the investigation.

Bernard von NotHaus, the group's monetary architect and the author of the e-mail, did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

Von NotHaus developed the Liberty Dollar in 1998 as an "inflation-proof" alternative currency to the U.S. Dollar, which he has claimed has devalued since the Federal Reserve was established in 1913. The silver medallions are produced by a private mint in Idaho on behalf of Evansville-based Liberty Services, which also issues paper notes which the group says are backed by silver reserves.

Liberty Dollar employees were at the office this morning cleaning up after the raid. They referred all questions to von NotHaus.

According to the e-mail, about a dozen agents arrived Wednesday morning and seized gold, silver, platinum and nearly two tons of recently delivered Ron Paul Dollars. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze the group's bank accounts, the e-mail said.

"We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed," von NotHaus wrote in the e-mail, which was sent to Liberty Dollar customers. "We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money."

The e-mail said the gold and silver that backs up the paper and digital currency was confiscated, as were the dies used to mint the Liberty Dollars themselves. As a result, it warns that recent orders placed for Liberty Dollars may not be filled and it encourages supporters to band together for a class action lawsuit.

The e-mail repeatedly defends the Liberty Dollar as legal.

"You did nothing wrong," von NotHaus wrote. "You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal to return America to a value based currency."

- Gavin Lesnick

[50mm]

Re-ping the kitties?

[Moose4]

It still looks like they’re primarily sourcing that email from Herr von Nuthaus, though.

The question I have is, why would the US Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina be involved? I don’t know exactly what area that encompasses, I’m assuming it’s Charlotte and parts west. How’d they get involved if LD is headquartered in Indiana?

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[Iwo Jima]

Do you have a registered agent for the service of process?

[Iwo Jima]

I think of it along the lines of a hat check ticket. An acknowledgment that they are holding something that belongs to you.