Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.
No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.
From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.
For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.
We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.
But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.
This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.
The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.
I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.
Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.
Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.
Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!
If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php
Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.
Bernard von NotHaus
When the "deal" is that you are getting "legal currency" that "functions" "dollar-for-dollar" with actual US legal tender, you are getting fraudulent misrepresentation along with your lousy deal.
- and by extension, whether the FBI is acting in a control freakish manner.
Well, no one has documented yet whether the FBI even did what this guy is claiming.
I wonder what portion of Ron Paul's fundraising was in the form of "Liberty Dollars"?
If they claimed he agreed with them and endorsed them, I have no doubt a denial would go out.
Andin this case, "they" are claiming that the person in question does not endorse or even have any knowledge of these coins. It really begs the question of why a public figure should have to publicly disavow a connection with a product or person he doesn't know about.
Coupons are backed by vendors who have a credit agreement in place with a federally-insured and regulated bank.
If the vendor does not honor a coupon that has been offered to him in compliance with his own terms and conditions, then he is in breach of contract and the coupon holder has recourse to the lender who underwrote the coupon.
None of the these protections are present here.
Moreover, no coupon offerer actually claims that their coupons "function" "dollar-for-dollar" with legal tender currency.
Coupons also carry the words "not legal tender" on them.
wonder what portion of Ron Paul’s fundraising was in the form of “Liberty Dollars”?
None. The campaign made it clear it would not accept anything except filthy fiat money.’
I heard the Paul Campaign accepts Linden dollars....(chuckle)
They are offering coins worth less than the market value of the precious metal, and they are selling paper certificates representing less than market amounts of precious metals.
This is a scam.
Who better to scam than conspiracy theorists who seem to believe anything they are told as long as it includes references to the government being evil and oppressing them.
I think this provision is how they were handling the issue of Ron Paul bullion:
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/indexp.shtml#IE
Independent Expenditures
An independent expenditure is an expenditure for a communication “expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate that is not made in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, a candidate’s authorized committee, or their agents, or a political party or its agents.” - 11 CFR 100.16(a).
Again, only a madman who was looking to get sued would ever use someone else's name and likeness to market his products without that person's prior knowledge and consent.
It really begs the question of why a public figure should have to publicly disavow a connection with a product or person he doesn't know about.
Again, it taxes the imagination beyond the breaking point that a product created with the knowledge of G. Edward Griffin - a prominent Paul booster and personal friend - would remain unknown to Ron Paul.
These products were well-known and aggressively boosted all over the Ron Paul forums.
If Ron Paul was truly unaware of these products, he is too obtuse and out of touch to be elected dogcatcher.
If you and a merchant agreed on the sale of some item he had for a nugget of gold you had, would it be legal?
Yes it would! Then whats the difference between that and a consumer and merchant agreeing to use Liberty Dollars (paper or coin) for a transaction?
They are not claiming to nor are the attempting to counterfiet US Currency. None of their currency can be mistaken for US currency, and those who choose not to accept them cannot be forced to accept them.
This is very disturbing that the FBI could do this, and worse, get away with it, unless there is some fraud by the producers against the users of the Liberty Dollars.
So it’s OK for Pizza Patron to accept an alternative currency (Pesos) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16581765 but you’d better not use a non-North American Union currency! Thanks Jorge
Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender. Anyone in the United States must accept them as payment. Huge difference.
What do you think the “market value” of the precious metal is?
The United States Mint sells coins stamped “FIFTY DOLLARS” with one ounce of gold content, at a price of $831.
They sell coins stamped “ONE DOLLAR” with one ounce of silver content for $30 - so does that mean that the one-ounce Liberty Dollar round is 33% off at only $20?
I think we should use bullets for currency - say, .30-06’s, and a .375 Holland and Holland.
I've seen nothing to indicate Soros has anything to do with Paul, but if legal this is a strategy he could use. From their website
Von NotHaus stresses urgency as the political parties have moved up the primary elections, squeezing campaigning time to only eight more months. If people want to change things, they must make a donation to Ron's campaign, get a Ron Paul Dollar and support him right now.All this will be a big surprise to Dr. Paul. As Liberty Dollar's legal counsel pointed out, if Ron Paul's campaign was informed before the launch date, the Federal Election Commission could require profits in excess of $2,300 (the maximum individual donation allowed) to be distributed to the Republican Party! So the Ron Paul Dollar was created as an "independent contribution" and is distributed through the grassroots Volunteer Network.
Create a Hillary dollar, shhhhh, don't tell Hillary, Soros buys $10,000,000, with an unknown amount going to the campaign, voila, campaign limits are circumvented.
Somehow I don't think that works, and I won't be shocked if that strategy has something to do with this raid.
Ever heard of a surprise birthday party?
The point is that the production was not orchestrated by the campaign. Indeed, the idea for them was circulating before he even formally declared his candidacy for president.
Umm, you been conned. They just took your money and disappeared with it. This claim of an "FBI raid" is just a con to keep you from contacting the police while they disappear with your money.
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