Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
When the "deal" is that you are getting "legal currency" that "functions" "dollar-for-dollar" with actual US legal tender, you are getting fraudulent misrepresentation along with your lousy deal.
- and by extension, whether the FBI is acting in a control freakish manner.
Well, no one has documented yet whether the FBI even did what this guy is claiming.
I wonder what portion of Ron Paul's fundraising was in the form of "Liberty Dollars"?
If they claimed he agreed with them and endorsed them, I have no doubt a denial would go out.
Andin this case, "they" are claiming that the person in question does not endorse or even have any knowledge of these coins. It really begs the question of why a public figure should have to publicly disavow a connection with a product or person he doesn't know about.
Coupons are backed by vendors who have a credit agreement in place with a federally-insured and regulated bank.
If the vendor does not honor a coupon that has been offered to him in compliance with his own terms and conditions, then he is in breach of contract and the coupon holder has recourse to the lender who underwrote the coupon.
None of the these protections are present here.
Moreover, no coupon offerer actually claims that their coupons "function" "dollar-for-dollar" with legal tender currency.
Coupons also carry the words "not legal tender" on them.
wonder what portion of Ron Paul’s fundraising was in the form of “Liberty Dollars”?
None. The campaign made it clear it would not accept anything except filthy fiat money.’
I heard the Paul Campaign accepts Linden dollars....(chuckle)
They are offering coins worth less than the market value of the precious metal, and they are selling paper certificates representing less than market amounts of precious metals.
This is a scam.
Who better to scam than conspiracy theorists who seem to believe anything they are told as long as it includes references to the government being evil and oppressing them.
I think this provision is how they were handling the issue of Ron Paul bullion:
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/indexp.shtml#IE
Independent Expenditures
An independent expenditure is an expenditure for a communication expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate that is not made in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, a candidates authorized committee, or their agents, or a political party or its agents. - 11 CFR 100.16(a).
Again, only a madman who was looking to get sued would ever use someone else's name and likeness to market his products without that person's prior knowledge and consent.
It really begs the question of why a public figure should have to publicly disavow a connection with a product or person he doesn't know about.
Again, it taxes the imagination beyond the breaking point that a product created with the knowledge of G. Edward Griffin - a prominent Paul booster and personal friend - would remain unknown to Ron Paul.
These products were well-known and aggressively boosted all over the Ron Paul forums.
If Ron Paul was truly unaware of these products, he is too obtuse and out of touch to be elected dogcatcher.
If you and a merchant agreed on the sale of some item he had for a nugget of gold you had, would it be legal?
Yes it would! Then whats the difference between that and a consumer and merchant agreeing to use Liberty Dollars (paper or coin) for a transaction?
They are not claiming to nor are the attempting to counterfiet US Currency. None of their currency can be mistaken for US currency, and those who choose not to accept them cannot be forced to accept them.
This is very disturbing that the FBI could do this, and worse, get away with it, unless there is some fraud by the producers against the users of the Liberty Dollars.
So it’s OK for Pizza Patron to accept an alternative currency (Pesos) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16581765 but you’d better not use a non-North American Union currency! Thanks Jorge
Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender. Anyone in the United States must accept them as payment. Huge difference.
What do you think the “market value” of the precious metal is?
The United States Mint sells coins stamped “FIFTY DOLLARS” with one ounce of gold content, at a price of $831.
They sell coins stamped “ONE DOLLAR” with one ounce of silver content for $30 - so does that mean that the one-ounce Liberty Dollar round is 33% off at only $20?
I think we should use bullets for currency - say, .30-06’s, and a .375 Holland and Holland.
I've seen nothing to indicate Soros has anything to do with Paul, but if legal this is a strategy he could use. From their website
Von NotHaus stresses urgency as the political parties have moved up the primary elections, squeezing campaigning time to only eight more months. If people want to change things, they must make a donation to Ron's campaign, get a Ron Paul Dollar and support him right now.All this will be a big surprise to Dr. Paul. As Liberty Dollar's legal counsel pointed out, if Ron Paul's campaign was informed before the launch date, the Federal Election Commission could require profits in excess of $2,300 (the maximum individual donation allowed) to be distributed to the Republican Party! So the Ron Paul Dollar was created as an "independent contribution" and is distributed through the grassroots Volunteer Network.
Create a Hillary dollar, shhhhh, don't tell Hillary, Soros buys $10,000,000, with an unknown amount going to the campaign, voila, campaign limits are circumvented.
Somehow I don't think that works, and I won't be shocked if that strategy has something to do with this raid.
Ever heard of a surprise birthday party?
The point is that the production was not orchestrated by the campaign. Indeed, the idea for them was circulating before he even formally declared his candidacy for president.
Umm, you been conned. They just took your money and disappeared with it. This claim of an "FBI raid" is just a con to keep you from contacting the police while they disappear with your money.
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