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Directors say war films make up for poor reporting (insufficient coverage of rapist soldiers)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071115/film_nm/war_dc ^ | 11/15/07 | Mike Collett-White

Posted on 11/15/2007 7:29:20 AM PST by dead

LONDON (Reuters) - Two Hollywood directors who are part of a wave of films about the war in Iraq and the broader fallout from the September 11, 2001 attacks have said they were only doing what media failed to do -- telling the truth.

Brian De Palma's "Redacted," arguably the most shocking feature yet about events in Iraq, hits theatres on Friday, using a documentary style to tell the true story of the gang rape and murder of an Iraqi girl by U.S. troops in 2006.

Paul Haggis also based "In The Valley Of Elah," already released, on true events linked to the war, although, unlike De Palma's cast of unknown actors, he employed major stars Tommy Lee Jones, Charlize Theron and Susan Sarandon.

Both film makers have attacked mainstream media for their coverage of the Iraq war and events leading to it.

"There is a very big difference between the Vietnam war, where we saw the pictures, and the Iraq war, where we don't," De Palma told Reuters at the Venice Film Festival, where "Redacted" premiered and where he won the best director award.

"I am very angry because I think this is an important issue. I think the fourth estate has let us down terribly."

He told reporters: "It's all out there on the Internet, you can find it if you look for it, but it's not in the major media. The media is now really part of the corporate establishment."

Haggis, who also showcased "Elah" in Venice, agreed.

"During the Vietnam war, we had terrific journalists doing their job, reporting on things that we didn't want to hear.

"Now we don't have that. I think that when that doesn't happen, then it's the responsibility of the artist to ask those difficult questions," he added.

WHO WANTS TO WATCH?

Steven Barnett, professor of communications at London's University of Westminster, believes many in the U.S. media admit that reporting of the war, and particularly the failure to question the reasons given for it, left much to be desired.

"I think American journalism generally agrees its own press was supine, and it is fair to say that Hollywood, perhaps a little belatedly, is picking up the baton."

He agreed that reporting in Iraq was more dangerous than many previous conflicts, and there were reporters in the United States and Iraq who had broken important stories.

Barnett singled out Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker magazine for his stories about abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison, although such cases, he added, were "few and far between."

Mark Cousins, movie critic and author of "The Story Of Film," pointed out that documentary film makers had already distinguished themselves in the case of Iraq, a fact often overlooked by Hollywood.

"Just as in Vietnam so in Iraq, documentaries are in there from the start and there are some masterpieces," he said, naming last year's "My Country, My Country." "Documentary film makers can always be relied upon to be the social conscience."

He also argued that attacking the media was one way for directors to market their movies.

"When you are marketing a film, you have to say 'We need it, it's unique ... here's why you have to come and see my work because you haven't seen the like of it in TV."'

Yet many recent films dealing with wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and the repercussions of the September 11 attacks have failed to find an audience, including those who feature top talent.

"In The Valley Of Elah" earned just $9 million at the box office worldwide, according to Web site www.boxofficemojo.com.

"Rendition," a film about detaining terrorism suspects and starring Reese Witherspoon, earned $15 million globally, while audiences for "Lions For Lambs," with Tom Cruise in an Afghan war-themed plot, have been disappointing, according to reports.

(Editing by Paul Casciato)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: briandepalma; iraq; redacted; wot
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To: dead
I watched the second half of Redacted last night on the HDTV movie Channel on Direct TV.

All the comments about how bad it makes US military look are spot on.

The quality of the production is also bad. It looks like a home shot movie. Don't now what De Palma was doing technically, maybe a documentary feel, which is even worse.

I tried to judge the movie from an entertainment/interest stand point. First reaction, boring, ho hum. Won't be any word of mouth even from libs. Save the $10.

If Cuban is putting this on his HD channel from free, he must know the party's over.

21 posted on 11/15/2007 8:13:23 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: dead
2 more POS films that will go on the dung heap next to Lions for Lambs
22 posted on 11/15/2007 8:13:46 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: purpleraine

“from free” = “for free”


23 posted on 11/15/2007 8:15:08 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: dead

“Barnett singled out Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker magazine for his stories about abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison, although such cases, he added, were “few and far between.””

Could it be that events, upon which such cases are based, are, in fact, few and far between?


24 posted on 11/15/2007 8:15:39 AM PST by OldNukeDaddy
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To: purpleraine
If Cuban is putting this on his HD channel from free, he must know the party's over.

I live here in Dallas, and all I can say is "Go Spurs!"

25 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dead
These directors should take a lesson from the Michael Moore film school of propaganda and anti Americanism and realize that it ain’t gonna fly in the US. Generate terrorist recruitment abroad, certainly. Generate sympathy and box office returns here, never.
26 posted on 11/15/2007 8:21:29 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: dfwgator; dead
I saw "Redacted" last night on HD Movies Net. I have never almost shot my television like that. I was so mad that if I EVER see Cuban or DePalma in public, I will beat them within an inch of their lives.

They portrayed me and my fellow soldiers all as knuckle dragging redneck retards whom only desire sex, booze, drugs, and violence.

It was the worst portrayal of US soldiers I have ever witnessed.

Anyone who quotes ANYTHING in this movie as "fact" or "reality" should be publicly shunned and humiliated.

.....damn....I thought a good night's sleep would cool me off a little.

27 posted on 11/15/2007 8:36:16 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1

On top of that, it was a poorly choreographed and acted movie IMHO.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 8:36:38 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1
AT least with the movie JFK Oliver Stone took an actual event and built fiction around that event. In Redacted De Palma takes an event that never did occur and attempts to create a reality where U.S. Troops raped and murdered.
29 posted on 11/15/2007 8:41:07 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: dead

Are these guys effin serious? It amazes me what passes for journalism these days. It’s even more amazing what passes for film making....


30 posted on 11/15/2007 8:42:22 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: KenHorse
Besides, I'm trying to remember an anti-war "mainstream" movie that was made while we were in the middle of Vietnam.

M*A*S*H, Johnny Got His Gun, etc., were made as anti-Vietnam movies despite their respective stories taking place in Korea and WWI.

They're just more overt about it now.
31 posted on 11/15/2007 8:44:26 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Noumenon

I much prefer they be rendered, under an Unofficial Secrets Act..or the Smith Act. >B-)


32 posted on 11/15/2007 8:48:15 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: dead
"There is a very big difference between the Vietnam war, where we saw the pictures, and the Iraq war, where we don't," De Palma [said]...

So, when are you going to bring us the pictures for "Abu Ghraib, The Musical", Brian...???

33 posted on 11/15/2007 8:51:35 AM PST by okie01
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To: dead
Barnett singled out Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker magazine for his stories about abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison...

Hersh didn't break the story, the Army did. And the only thing de Palma and Haggis are really complaining about is that Iraq hasn't granted them the stage that Vietnam did for self-righteous pontificating.

34 posted on 11/15/2007 8:55:01 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dead
Steven Barnett, professor of communications at London's University of Westminster, believes many in the U.S. media admit that reporting of the war, and particularly the failure to question the reasons given for it, left much to be desired.

Barnett acts as if it is the role of journalists was to stop the war.

The questions were asked. They (particularly Helen Thomas) didn't like the answers, but they had no firm basis on which to question them outside of innuendo and the presumption of guilt. There's only so much that can be told to reporters that doesn't tip off those opposing U.S. forces on the battlefield.

"I think American journalism generally agrees its own press was supine, and it is fair to say that Hollywood, perhaps a little belatedly, is picking up the baton."

Funny how the reporter couldn't find an American journalist to say that.

35 posted on 11/15/2007 8:55:55 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (From Slick Willie to Slick Hill'y in Eight Years?!)
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To: dead
Barnett singled out Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker magazine for his stories about abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison, although such cases, he added, were "few and far between."

Maybe that's because the abuses were "few and far between." Ever think of that, bloke?

36 posted on 11/15/2007 8:59:07 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (From Slick Willie to Slick Hill'y in Eight Years?!)
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To: trumandogz
So, forgive me for being a bit confused here: the whole rape and murder story never really happened? If that is so, how can they make a film claiming to be a "true story" about it?

I guess the answer should be obvious: depends on what the meaning of "truth" is?

37 posted on 11/15/2007 9:02:42 AM PST by Sicon
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To: Sicon
So, forgive me for being a bit confused here: the whole rape and murder story never really happened? If that is so, how can they make a film claiming to be a "true story" about it?

Come on. If U.S. troops gang raped and murdered an Iraqi woman the NYT, LAT, WP, CNN, FNC, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and ABC would have gone full page and wall to wall coverage of the rape and murder.

Greta would be interviewing the parents, Oprah would do a full week dedicated to the rape and murder and Geraldo would be on the tube screaming that he would kick the accused troops but.

We would never hear the end of it. An event such as then one portrayed in the movie would have made Abu Ghraib look like a Fox News Alert on Britney's new form of birth control. The MSM would never let us forget.

Therefore, the event never did occur.

38 posted on 11/15/2007 9:38:07 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: dead
Barnett singled out Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker magazine for his stories about abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison, although such cases, he added, were "few and far between."

In what universe you liar? The NY Times ran stories about the frat boy hijinks at Abu Ghraib on its front page at least five hundred times. By contrast, it didn't even mention the posthumous Medal of Honor for a Long Island native and Navy Seal. If Hollywood were really interested in telling the untold stories of Iraq or Afghanistan, they'd make a movie about the self-sacrifice of our heroes. Instead they slime them with lying swill like "Valley of Elah".

About which, by the way, I choked on my corn flakes the other day to read a quote from anti-American Canadian Paul Haggis ascribing the writers strike to "corporate greed". This bastard makes millions slandering our country and has the nerve to call somebody else greedy. He ought to be deported, on a rail, wearing tar and feathers. Grrr.

39 posted on 11/15/2007 9:50:56 AM PST by Argus
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To: trumandogz
So what then do you make of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

Spc. James Barker On November 15, 2006, Spc. Barker pleaded guilty to rape and murder as part of a plea agreement requiring him to give evidence against the other soldiers to avoid the death penalty. He was sentenced to 90 years in prison, and must serve 20 years before being considered for parole. He wept during closing statements, and accepted responsibility for the rape and killings, saying the violence he had encountered in Iraq left him "angry and mean" toward Iraqis.[8]

[edit] Sgt. Paul E. Cortez On January 22, 2007, Sgt. Cortez pleaded guilty to rape, conspiracy to rape, and four counts of murder as part of a plea deal to avoid the death penalty.[9] Sgt. Cortez was sentenced to 100 years in prison for the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and the killing of her family last year. He will be eligible for parole in 10 years. Cortez, 24, also was given a dishonorable discharge. Cortez wept as he apologized for the crimes, saying he could not explain why he took part.[10]

[edit] Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman Pfc.Jesse V. Spielman On August 3, 2007, Pfc. Spielman, 23, was sentenced to 110 years in prison, with the possibility of parole after 10 years. He was convicted of rape, conspiracy to commit rape, housebreaking with intent to rape and four counts of felony murder. Spielman had earlier pleaded guilty to lesser charges of conspiracy to obstruct justice, arson, wrongfully touching a corpse and drinking.[11]

40 posted on 11/15/2007 11:08:55 AM PST by Sicon
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