Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo
Unfortunately America is going to vote for the one who has the charisma they desire. I find that in Romney.
***At least you can express what is important to you in a candidate, though it does not seem all that quantifiable. Romney’s support is drooping in Iowa, where he seems to have outspent Huckster by 10 to 1 and yet Huckster is coming from nowhere to take him on. If Huckster the “prolife liberal” can do it, Hunter can do it.
So, to review, your plan is to take conservative support from the guy who is heading for the basement after a couple of months, and give it to a guy who has been in the basement since the day before Halloween in 2006.
***Then you agree that your guy is heading for the basement, even though he’s been given all these resources. Look at how Huckster’s doing in Iowa, smoking Romney who outspent him by a wide margin. And Huckster is beating your basement guy, so as long as both are supposedly in the basement we might as well coalesce behind the stronger conservative.
Romney leads in 10 of 15 current polls in Iowa. I don’t think he “drooping” quite that much.
Good grief.....Hunter is a great Congressman who has NO Management Experience....hence NO WAY JOSE!
Romney leads in 10 of 15 current polls in Iowa. I don’t think he “drooping” quite that much.
***OK, Mr. Poll Worshipper, take those 10 polls and measure how far Romney was ahead of Huckster a month ago, two weeks ago, and today. That’s the definition of droop.
Polls are interesting, but it’s the DELTA in the polls that tells the real stories. And futures markets have emerged as better indicators than polls anyways, which is why you are even on this thread.
And the DELTA in Intrade over the last few days shows Huckster blowing Romney out of the water. If Huckster can do it, Hunter can do it.
Winner of 2008 Republican Iowa Caucus
REP.IOWA.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to Win M 70.0 75.9 70.0 762 +4.4
REP.IOWA.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to Win M 22.3 32.8 23.3 733 -6.9
He’s the best conservative in the race.
He was the chairman of the defense appropriations committee, which is about half a $trillion with a T big. That’s more management experience than most others.
Put your support behind the guy who would make the best president.
Since the left is pushing Huckabee, we will have to wait and see who actually votes. Huck will have a real problem in more conservative states.
Should Mitt get any bounce from his speech, that will take another week.
We are only in the first inning.
I realize all that....BUT HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE IN RUNNING ANYTHING...other than a COMMITTEE!! Do you NOT see the folly in your support!! It’s like you would nominate the JANITOR because he’s conservative and keeps the roof from leaking!! Good Grief, man....MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE....or do you think that’s not needed?????
It’s the evangelicals who are lining up behind Huckster. If his campaign implodes, support would land on Hunter.
Jill Stanek: Behind the scenes at FRC Briefing (Family Research Council)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1915901/posts
crossref: Dobson and 50 evangelical leaders
Um, I thought Abe Lincoln was a good president.
By your measure, you’d be knocking out one of the greatest presidents. Do you not see your own folly?
ping
I am a proud Romney supporter....who do you support?
Thanks for the softball. I support the best conservative in the race, Duncan Hunter.
If the liberal evangelical Huckabee can take the lead from out of nowhere, so can Hunter the true conservative evangelical.
Posted as a snapshot after the Univision debate.
Fred really doesn’t have much room to maneuver, either. By hedging on Federalism for abortion and the 14th amendment on immigration, he alienates conservatives. He’s basically asking conservatives to care about poll results and liberal poll worshippers to care about conservatism.
Thompson is currently trading at 1.5 on Intrade to win the Iowa caucuses, just 0.4 ahead of the field (Hunter).
Winner of 2008 Republican Iowa Caucus
REP.IOWA.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to Win M 70.0 75.7 70.0 762 +4.4
REP.IOWA.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to Win M 22.3 32.6 23.3 733 -6.9
REP.IOWA.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to Win M 0.4 2.4 1.5 375 -0.3
REP.IOWA.MCCAIN
John McCain to Win M 0.1 1.6 0.5 130 0
REP.IOWA.THOMPSON(F)
Fred Thompson to Win M 0.5 4.0 1.5 215 0
REP.IOWA.GINGRICH
Newt Gingrich to Win M - 0.1 0.1 0 0
REP.IOWA.HAGEL
Chuck Hagel to Win M - 0.1 0.1 0 0
REP.IOWA.FIELD
Field (any other individual) to Win M 1.1 4.4 1.1 241 0
All In (Fred Thompson moves to Iowa)
Weekly Standard ^ | 12/7/07 | Stephen Hayes
Posted on 12/08/2007 4:06:27 PM PST by cotton1706
Des Moines, Iowa FORMER TENNESSEE SENATOR Fred Thompson has decided to take his campaign and virtually all of its resources to Iowa in an all-or-nothing attempt to register a strong showing in the caucuses here on January 3.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936775/posts?page=83#83
1. Call me a poll worshipper at all, when my clear and oft-stated aim is to keep a proven Marxist moron out of the Oval Office.
2. Call me a poll worshipper, when you're basically doing the same thing, only using prediction markets instead of polls.
Nice try.
I alos love how every time somebody tries to convince people backing a clear also ran (Hunter, Paul, etc.) that they should help get behind a winning candidate with conservative values (such as Thompson) they all yell, "Why are you wasting time on a guy that can't win?" Apparently y'all never ask yourselcves that question...
I also love how every time somebody tries to convince people backing a clear also ran (Hunter, Paul, etc.) that they should help get behind a winning candidate with conservative values (such as Thompson) they all yell, "Why are you wasting time on a guy that can't win?" Apparently y'all never ask yourselves that question...
1. Call me a poll worshipper at all, ***If you read the post carefully, you’ll see that I stopped short of calling you in particular a poll worshipper, mainly because I have so much respect for your previous postings on FR. I say that FR has been overtaken by poll worshippers. If you’re one of them, then you deserve the monicker.
If your “clear and oft-stated aim is to keep a proven Marxist moron out of the Oval Office” then you should be happy, because some recent poll showed that the 5 main candidates in the GOP all can beat the hildebeast. That’s been my contention all along, that hillary is eminently beatable, especially if we nominate a true conservative and the MSM goes into liberal slathering mode. Anyone can beat her. Anyone.
only using prediction markets instead of polls.
***It’s very simple. Prediction markets have proven to be more accurate than polls. The main argument against backing the best conservative in the race has been poll results. My approach is an effective counterargument.
The Efficacy Of Prediction Markets The Liberty Papers ^ | November 8, 2007 | Brad Warbiany
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1922961/posts
I notice you didn’t answer the questions. You’re fond of pointing out excuses, what are the excuses for the fact that someone who is basically diametrically opposed to our platform is the frontrunner? Where’s all the aRINOld supporters who pushed around the McClintock followers here on FR? Why do you expend so much effort on some candidate who’s supposedly going nowhere?
“Why are you wasting time on a guy that can’t win?” Apparently y’all never ask yourselcves that question...
***That’s not the question I ask. The question I ask and you need to answer is, “what is the best evidence that someone is a lousy campaigner?” If it’s poll results, then shouldn’t the GOP drop the campaigner when the poll results fall dramatically? When we throw tons of resources onto a candidate who has good name recognition and a defensible conservative record but end up with drooping poll results and a 30 point drop at Intrade, it is evidence that he is a lousy campaigner. When Huckabee pulls into the lead in Iowa beating Romney who has outspent him 10 to 1 or so, it’s a sign that Huckabee is a good campaigner. Our resources need to go to the good, pro-life campaigners. The GOP has never given much in terms of resources to Hunter. It has given such resources to a squanderer.
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