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Why I Think Hillary Will Win (Dick Armey Gives a Major Wake Up Call to the GOP)
Freedom Works ^ | November 13, 2007 | Dick Armey

Posted on 11/13/2007 3:14:13 PM PST by Hillary4Penetentiary

If the 2008 presidential election were held today, Hillary Rodham Clinton would win.

Hillary’s minor stumbles in last week’s debate notwithstanding, she is simply running the most disciplined and effective campaign. She’s one of the most able politicians in America, and no one should underestimate her desire to be President and her calculating focus.

What you need to understand is that Hillary Clinton is, quite simply, craftier and more aggressive than the rest of the field. I know this firsthand, having battled with the Clinton Administration throughout the 1990’s while serving as a leader in Congress.

She’s only gotten tougher since then.

Early on, there were many fights, but one of the most important was over Hillary Clinton’s 1993 plan to expand government control of the health-care system. We were lucky to stop it, and we did so by standing our ground on the principle of putting patients ahead of bureaucracies. But now she’s back, and the health-care issue is a perfect example of the way she’s learned on the job and evolved her tactics.

Her latest health-care plan is more of the same stuff—greater federal control of our lives—but this time she’s presenting it in a way that is far more politically savvy. She leaves open questions of funding and enforcement, and is actively working to buy off the groups who opposed her plan in 1993.

Hillary Clinton and her agenda are not going to fade away. She is relentless and determined. Once she resolves a course of action in her mind, she is not going to be wishy-washy. The other candidates, and the rest of the world, will quickly learn that Hillary Clinton means business.

No doubt, Hillary Clinton has the Democrat primary all wrapped up. A couple of one-term senators are simply no match for the political machine she and her husband have built. I won’t go so far as to say that it’s not possible for a Republican to defeat her in the general election. But as things stand today, the GOP has a very real set of problems that are larger than any of the party’s candidates.

First and foremost, the Republican brand as effective stewards of the taxpayer dollar is in tatters, and the shredding doesn’t look to stop any time soon. Just yesterday, 138 House Republicans joined the Democrats in voting to override the president’s veto of a wasteful and pork-ridden Water Resources bill. That vote was a shameful display of personal politics over the national interest, and it contains the seeds of destruction of whatever conservative principles remain in the Republican party.

The callow accommodation to big-spending Democrats in Congress is one of the ways the Republican party will return itself to the days of serving as a compliant, permanent minority. Happy for table scraps, elected Republicans will simply abandon the ideas of their party in order to “get along”.

No wonder Americans prefer Democrats on the economy, taxes, and spending issues, according to recent polling data. When the choice is between Democrats, and the Democrat-lite ideas the GOP has become so comfortable offering, the Democrats will win every time.

The only way the Republican party will beat Hillary Clinton is to return to its limited-government roots. That’s the only way to rebuild a majority coalition.

For example, today religious conservatives are confused, disillusioned, and somewhat fractured. Too many of the current crop of self-appointed social conservative leaders have embraced an agenda that splits the GOP coalition. Big government ideas— runaway spending on “conservative” social programs, social engineering in the tax code, and greater government intervention into Americans’ personal lives—are the wrong path. This pandering has hurt the GOP in swing states, especially in the Mountain West and Great Lakes states.

To counter Hillary Clinton’s perfectly oiled political machine, Republicans need to return to their Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan roots. They need to present an alternative vision for America—a positive vision that limits government and trusts individuals and leaves families, churches, and businesses free to make their own decisions, and not have bureaucrats and politicians calling the shots.

Right now, the country is headed toward a date with Hillary Clinton, and big government is on the agenda. The only way to change that rendezvous is for candidates to offer a clear, principled, limited government alternative.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008elections; armey; gop; hillaryclinton
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To: colorado tanker
It doesn’t take any inside intelligence to know she’s favored and she’s one tough candidate.

Easy to be tough when the MSM covers for you and refuses to expose your lies and corruption

That ain't tough
41 posted on 11/13/2007 3:53:16 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Her husband maybe, simply because he has that snake like charm that suckered in too many people.

Total BS
Got 43% in 92 and less than 50 in 96 despite a booming economy--peace time--incumbency and a MSM covering all his lies and corruption
42 posted on 11/13/2007 3:56:12 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: Friend_from_the_Frozen_North

The Hill is beatable and all the R candidates except maybe RP can do it....she has the best organized campaign and a lot of MSM support but she also has many many flaws and negatives, she is vividly unlikable like any old commie hag and has a perv for a husband...gee even Dole could win!
Let’s get it done, the game starts when Hill does the JFK reporting for dooty!


43 posted on 11/13/2007 3:58:05 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Tax-chick

Good one.


44 posted on 11/13/2007 3:59:45 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: iopscusa
The Hill is beatable and all the R candidates except maybe RP can do it

Try reading the article. Paul and Thompson to an extent are the only Republicans talking about limited gov't and fiscal restraint. If the GOP does not reach out to fiscal conservatives and libertarians, they're going to lose.

45 posted on 11/13/2007 4:00:18 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: All

I think Hillary can win but not because she is a great candidate, a great debater or an intelligent person.
She can win because she has people who will vote for anything that disagrees with George Bush and what he has stood for.
We need a good candidate and get back to conservative values.


46 posted on 11/13/2007 4:04:14 PM PST by Moolah
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary

I’m sorry. I don’t buy the idea that Hillary has a chance. I don’t know whether people like Armey and Gingrich are trying to scare conservatives to the polls or what, but I really wish they’d stop with this nonsense. The bottom line is that Hillary doesn’t have a prayer unless there is disenchantment with the Repub nominee and a viable third party candidate.


47 posted on 11/13/2007 4:05:44 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Now more popular than Congress!* *According to a new RasMESSen Poll.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hey-zoos friggin’ Christmas!! This no-brain bitch ain’t Slick Willy, no matter how much she’d like to think so, and make others think that as well. She’s already on the downhill slide.

She cannot answer a simple friggin’ question and the drive-bys, such as they are, seem to be starting to smell the blood in the water. Hillary will NOT even be the Demoncrap nominee.


48 posted on 11/13/2007 4:06:08 PM PST by nesnah
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary
We need to stop the squabbling amongst ourselves, the tired "RINO" labelling, and threats of third party candidates or not voting and unite, or we're going to be looking down the barrel of far left wing extremism having total hold on the government. Sometimes it's better to take a plate of 75% of what you want, than a buffet of bulls--t like we'll get from the Clintons.

I could not agree with you more.

49 posted on 11/13/2007 4:06:49 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary
"Sometimes it's better to take a plate of 75% of what you want, than a buffet of bulls--t like we'll get from the Clintons. "

This is true for all candidates except Rudy.

With Rudy the GOP only gets about 10%.

Rudy is a non-starter.
50 posted on 11/13/2007 4:07:38 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary
“I think we need to stop convincing ourselves Hillary can’t win. Unfortunately she can. I’m not quite so pessmistic as Armey, but she has a real shot in a political environment that is awful for the GOP right now.”

Hildabeast can and will win. All it will take is a nomination of a NE liberal Puke like Rooty or Mutt.

51 posted on 11/13/2007 4:08:55 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Rooty nor Mutt is gonna be on the Pubbie’s ticket as POTUS candidate, so rest easy.


52 posted on 11/13/2007 4:10:09 PM PST by nesnah
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To: nesnah

If that happens Hildabeast wins in a walk.


53 posted on 11/13/2007 4:18:48 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary

I don’t really believe she can win based on any sort of platform or strategy she comes up with.

If she does win, it won’t be because of Rudy, or Mitt, or Huckabee or whoever.

It will be because there are so many stupid/ignorant Americans who will fall for the free lunches or vote for Bill through Hillary, or because their friends are doing it.

You can’t fix stupid. If she is nominated, and there are enough stupid people in America, she will win. It won’t matter who the GOP puts up.


54 posted on 11/13/2007 4:19:30 PM PST by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: snowrip

Very, very good post.

Unfortunately, it appears as if you’re talking to one, too. The person to whom you directed your comments seems only to want to stir the pot. Childish dismissals like labeling facts “scare tactics” is the province of those unable to justify a position with logic...which is why it’s so often used by the left. Intelligent conservatives neither fall for that game nor employ it themselves.


55 posted on 11/13/2007 4:29:34 PM PST by Eroteme
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To: sirchtruth

“In fact many woman see her as “weak and fallible.”

Actually, most women I talk to, liberal, moderate and conservative, see her a Class 1 b***h and wouldn’t vote for her under ANY circumstances. And this is in her target market. She’s starting to self-destruct - that “gaff” at the debate was the start - now all sorts of things are coming out about her. The planting of questions in the audience. Her whining about being picked on by “the boys” - her cries of “Bush fooled me!” (well, so did your husband, lady - I’m not about to want to turn over the fate of the Free World to such an apparent clueless twit.)

But we need to make sure the country never forgets what the Hildebeest does to people who stand in her way - and even people who are innocent obstacles in her way. I’d ask Billy Dale to start cutting some ads for the RNC right now. Hundreds of thousands in legal fees he won’t get back for a prosecution because the Clintons had to put their friends in charge of the Travel Office and didn’t want to “fire” the current employees or they’d look bad. So what did they do? Turned the employees into “criminals” instead to bolster their “cleaning up Washington claims.”

This will be life under ShrilLIARy.


56 posted on 11/13/2007 4:32:52 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I am absolutely gagging over the 5-10 Hillary threads I have to read every day and it’s only going to get so much worse.


57 posted on 11/13/2007 4:57:19 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary
Come here Girl, we're going to make you a star.

Does anybody on this forum believe that Julia Roberts is the most savvy, beautiful, charming, actress this century?

Or that Brad Pitt is God's answer to Spencer Tracy?

Hillary Clinton is NOT the issue! She's an empty suit with less to offer than most intelligent people on Free Republic.

But she CAN win. She is the specific selection of a cabal far more savvy and calculating than she could ever be, the matrix. And she certainly is intelligent, ambitious, and ruthless enough to be used, just like Julia Roberts! And of course a female President IS their agenda.

How many people here, or anywhere, leave various movies crying? How many people here, or anywhere, laugh when canned laughter in an inane TV show tells them to laugh? How many people here watch the same tired played-out football strategies over and over? How many people here, or anywhere, can second guess the contorted plots of spun movie scripts?

The sheeple, perhaps many on this forum, and certainly many many more in the brain-numbed world, ARE manipulated. "They" know how to manipulate people.

So she CAN win, just like people are force fed, and accept, the fear of anthropogenic global warming. It has little to do with her. It has to do with people incarcerated by their own ego's, and those who know how to take advantage of it.

Here at the Institute we call that sickness "Lefego."

58 posted on 11/13/2007 4:59:39 PM PST by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: jnsun

Which institute, if you don’t mind?


59 posted on 11/13/2007 5:08:56 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: Right Cal Gal
But we need to make sure the country never forgets what the Hildebeest does to people who stand in her way - and even people who are innocent obstacles in her way.

It's a good point, but just remember there is a certain element to the Clinton Attack machine which people fall prey too. Dick Morris sums it up well trying to convience Hannity when Hannity asked about Clinton's women. He warns to be careful about bringing up certain things like personality and character

“Whenever anybody hits Hillary on her personal life, her marriage, or whether she is a lesbian or not, it plays into her hands.”

The DBM/dems are all behind her defending her with lies because they don't care about truth or justice, right or wrong, values or morales except when it affects a republican.

60 posted on 11/13/2007 5:16:38 PM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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