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Democrats court religious voters, but will they desert GOP?
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 11/13/2007 | David Briggs

Posted on 11/13/2007 9:09:41 AM PST by Ol' Sparky

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1 posted on 11/13/2007 9:09:42 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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They have zero percent chance of winning my vote unless they change about 100% of their political positions. I have no adverse feelings about the letter “D” or the title “Democrat.” It’s everything they stand for I reject. If they change their positions then sure I’ll vote for them. Since there is zero percent chance they will change there is zero percent change I will vote for them.


2 posted on 11/13/2007 9:14:45 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Democrats court religious voters,...

"Some of my best friends are religious!"

3 posted on 11/13/2007 9:17:40 AM PST by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Ol' Sparky

convincing economic and political conservatives within the GOP they can kick religious conservatives to the curb.

These scenarios are among those envisioned by scholars on religion and politics in advance of the 2008 election, which they say is turning out to be a referendum on both the religious right and left.

A this would not happen B)- most aren’t merely moral conservative or fiscal conservative they are Reaganites), B) Shut up this liberal author (and his dreams), c) they won’t win if we split the reagan coalition. d) Guiliani isn’t even truely a so called “fiscal conservative”. No real conservative support for him (only RINOS, liberals..)!


4 posted on 11/13/2007 9:26:39 AM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
That is why I get extremely irritated when someone tells me (in a superior sounding tone) "I vote for the person, not the party".

Last go-around many of the Freshman Dem winners ran on very conservative sounding platforms, then conveniently got a case of "jello-brains" and dutifully began toeing the party line.

5 posted on 11/13/2007 9:28:42 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Bill and Hill are perfectly clear on the meaning of "is" as long as it's used in the word SOCIALIST)
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Does the fact that Rudy was divorced and remarried REALLY matter to Conservatives???? Don't forget that the great Reaganus Maximus was too.

SO WHAT???????

I suspect this is just another Lib MSM trying to derail

6 posted on 11/13/2007 9:30:45 AM PST by KenHorse (I have the heart of a Liberal. I keep it in a jar on my desk.)
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I know exactly what you mean and that same surperiority-toned comment bugs me too.


7 posted on 11/13/2007 9:31:48 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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The Dems have always had liberal, mainline Christians. They’re not going to get any significant part of the evangelical vote. Rudy might depress evangelical turnout for the pubbies, but it won’t go to Hillary.
8 posted on 11/13/2007 9:34:30 AM PST by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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Democrat’s “courting” of religious voters will met with the same response that cat-calls and wolf whistles from a construction crew get.


9 posted on 11/13/2007 10:39:23 AM PST by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: KenHorse
Does the fact that Rudy was divorced and remarried REALLY matter to Conservatives???? Don't forget that the great Reaganus Maximus was too.

It is not just that Rudy is (twice) divorced... it is more about the way he handled his personal life. He was having an affair while mayor and still married to his second wife, taking his mistress to public events, announcing his divorce to the press before telling his wife, etc... Newt would have the same problem if he ran.

Thompson is divorced and re-married, but that is not a big issue for most voters. He and his ex are on good terms, he didn't cheat on his ex while married to her, and in general has treated her with respect despite the fact that they are no longer married. That is one of the reasons his ex-wife is supporting Thompson for President.

10 posted on 11/13/2007 10:46:34 AM PST by CA Conservative
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“Democrats court religious voters, but will they desert GOP?”

The term “religious” is thrown around pretty regular today. A lot of people who say they believe in God do not read their bibles, pray, or fellowship with other believers on a regular basis to share their “faith”.

Those people will certainly be moved by the democrats, especially if they see no real difference between the democrats and the GOP on social issues.

Anyone that doubts me needs to explain why Ted Kennedy is a US Senator. Yes, he gets votes from “religious” people.

11 posted on 11/13/2007 10:51:22 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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"Not that the Democrats will have an easy time picking up religious votes from the GOP."

Just as CarVILE figured out awhile ago, the Democrats can get Reagan Democrats and former Reagan Democrats turned Republican to return to the fold and vote their pocketbook instead of their values if the the social issues are negated in a race, or the Democrat runs to the right of a Republican on them.

Rudy v. Hillary = PA and WV both vote solidly blue and no need to waste $ contesting them. Probably plenty of other places like VA too, from what I've read.

12 posted on 11/13/2007 11:04:54 AM PST by penowa
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I’d say that religious conservatives will be just about as taken in by this sham as NRA members were when Kerry borrowed a shotgun and pretended to be a hunter. Which is to say, not at all.


13 posted on 11/13/2007 11:11:25 AM PST by Kenton (All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
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Does the fact that Rudy was divorced and remarried REALLY matter to Conservatives????

It should to any conservative with a brain. A man's character matters when he is taking positions that contradict his record.

Promises mean nothing from a low-life that would parade his mistress out in public while alienating his own children.

But, I guess we've gone from character mattering for Bill Clinton back in 1992 to not mattering at all if the candidate is a Republican.

14 posted on 11/13/2007 11:55:53 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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That’s NOT my (and other conservatives’) only Issue with Rudy!..


15 posted on 11/13/2007 1:29:07 PM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Ah, yes, typical Democrats.

Wherever there’s a potential vote to be found . . .

Ever wonder what the political affiliation is of the majority of atheists, agnostics, new agers, ACLU/separationists types?

Therein lies your answer about faith and the Democratic Party.


16 posted on 11/13/2007 1:32:26 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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Ever wonder what the political affiliation is of the majority of atheists, agnostics, new agers, ACLU/separationists types?

Well, I'm not what anyone would call a Christian, but I vote Republican. Next question.

17 posted on 11/13/2007 1:36:29 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Pure wishful thinking by the msm. They don't understand that conservatives of all stripes can have a debate over principles.

Guiliani is bending over backwards in my view to placate Christians. He is in no way, manner, or form "kicking" Christians to the curb.

Anyone who seriously believes the dims have a shot at the Christian right are out and out stupid.

18 posted on 11/13/2007 1:40:49 PM PST by Pietro
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It's wishful thinking on your part if you think Christians are going to vote for a man that supports abortion and has a history of advancing the homosexual agenda. You should know that by hanging out here.

Why any conservative would want to vote for a man with a liberal record and no character is a mystery to me. It's no different than voting for Bill Clinton if he were running as a Republican.

19 posted on 11/13/2007 3:04:30 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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I'm not supporting Rudy nor will I vote for him in the primary, however, if the choice is Rudy vs hilary! there is no debate.

Surely you're not advocating a third party pro-life ticket are you?

20 posted on 11/14/2007 7:46:30 AM PST by Pietro
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